Discussion in 'Cageside - MMA Discussion' started by Wild, May 12, 2019.
Of course he's going to think the stoppage was legit, but that was quick. Chandler was working his way back to his feet for fucks sake. Coker will run this back asap, guaranteed.
Didn't look too bad to me.
He turtled up and then lay face down while he ate 3 unanswered punches.
Just because he started to stand up right as the ref calls it doesn't mean it was a bad decision, or that he wouldn't have continued to eat worse punishment.
He literally wasn't defending himself when the ref stepped in. It's the ref's job to step in immediately as soon as that happens. It's not their job to let a guy who is not defending just lie there and take punches on the off chance they wake up.
As soon as those first three punches landed, I said to my husband and our friend, "Oh. Pitbull has Chandler's number tonight." And they argued with me. But it was pretty obvious Pitbull had the bead on him. And then he went down and we argued about the call, but after the replays they agreed with me.
Did not really like BJM's criticism of the ref there - he was speaking as someone paid by Bellator, but his voice is still too influential in the referee and athletic commission world imo.
Big John is a guy who used to use stoppages as an excuse to deliberately physically attack and injure fighters for no reason while a ref. He has legitimate mental issues. People like to forget because the truth is uncomfortable, but he's not somebody who should be expected to have a rational view on things.
He's somebody that's respected - because he was a pioneer in the world of cagefighting. It's like being a respected pioneer in the world of extreme pornography.
Oh, I guess we’ll get this next month on U.K. tv
Stoppage was quick. I hate shit like this:
It was quick alright and probably could have been let go but Chandler was out for a second, no doubt about it.
I just watched the fight. I don’t think it was a bad stoppage. In retrospect you wish the fight continued because the way Chandler recovered he was clearly able to continue, but at the point the ref stops it, Chandler has his forehead on the Matt isn’t defending himself and takes 5 clean shots to the side of the head.
Second angle at 3:43 shows what the ref is looking at. Can’t blame the ref. Onus is on Chandler to show he is protecting himself.
At 1:20 with him laying completely face down eating 3 shots and not moving, how can you not agree with the ref's decision to call the fight?
There's nothing 'wut' about it. Big John was a highly aggressive individual in his early reffing days who clearly got his rocks off throwing his weight around. Him screaming 'let's get it on' like a madman was literally the sport's catchphrase (even though he didn't invent it), so it's not surprising that he saw himself as part of the show.
He would get extremely aggressive with fighters for no reason and physically rough them up. He would tackle fighters like he was laying an NFL hit even when there was no urgency, sometimes injuring them like Brian Johnston.
He mellowed out, but he was bad in the early days.
I remember what your talking about, him yanking guys off their opponents, sometimes they would stumble and fall, but I never thought it was very egregious
He used to hold onto guys that just won for like 5-10 seconds too, until you could see they visibly calmed down.
Some of those psychos in ufc 1-10 needed that kinda treatment though, hard to turn it on and off like a switch for some hotheads. It was far from a sport back then.
HE BUSTED BRIAN JOHNSTONS NOSE UP REAL GOOD
I don't know/remember who that is. Video?
Remember stone cold mirgliatta poking heath in the eye right before the Lesnar fight? Lololol
BIG JOHN SMASHED BRIAN'S NOSE
BRIAN'S REACTION IS GOLD
WAS IN A TOURNAMENT TO BOOT
This is a very weird revisionist take. No one knew how to ref in the early days of NHB. They were literally making it up as they went. Big John was a cop who basically used cop tactics to stop fights. If he was aggressive, it was a reflection of the disorganization and bedlam of the entire sport back in those days.
He hit him with like 3+ headbutts right before the stoppage, bloody nose could have been from one of those?
He definitely was busting himself up with the headbutts...but John gives him a nice forearm right to the nose that was the hardest shot he took that fight...Brian is like wtf man
there is a replay angle that shows it better
I predicted this response. It doesn't add up.
The thing is, he actually got worse. He was more aggressive around UFC 15 then he was in UFC 4 . It was not a simple function of early confusion.
And there's no way BJM wouldn't have seen a Pancrase fight or Brazilian Vale Tudo fight. There were contemporaneous refs not spear tackling fighters.
The cop part is accurate. But that's an aggravating factor, not a mitigating one. He acted like the stereotype of a bad cop.
Lol wtf? How is there "no way he wouldn't have seen a Pancrase or Brazilian vale tudo fight?" Again, that is just weird revisionism. For those of us who were watching back then, many of us didn't see any of those events until at least 1996 or 97 when tape traders had them in circulation. It's not like SEG was flying BJM to Japan and Brazil. He was a CRASH cop who knew the Gracies and got involved through them. I have plenty of other qualms with BJM, but considering the conditions in the arenas and among the fighters plus the lack of training for all parties, I can't hold it against him that he had no idea what he was doing for the first several few dozen UFCs. Blame SEG for not taking safety or regulation seriously until political pressure forced them to if anything.
You seemed to have latched on to this word 'revisionism' but I'm not entirely sure you know what it means. I'm not the first to raise these issues about BJM. Revisionism would be more akin to pretending this behavior never happened. You bring up that nobody had seen tapes until 96 or 97 - but I just said that he was even worse in late '97 than he was in 94. And I just arbitrarily picked UFC 15 - he was still unnecessarily manhandling fighters well into the 2000s. Let's not pretend he hadn't seen any other refs by then.