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    I'm not. Only that it's disingenuous to say there's a racial murder problem in America.
     
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    No, you just misunderstood what I said. Within the definition of what makes a left or right leaning society, there are a number of criteria. The more you check off, the more you lean one way or the other. Europe as a whole checks off enough that I can comfortably say that pretty much any EU member is far left. Many social programs, shared continental economy, institutionalized tolerance of differences, etc. There are some members like I think it was Austria that almost elected someone right wing populist, but that isn't the norm from anything I've ever read of European politics.
     
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    You studied journalism at BCIT?
     
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    Now you are mixing EU and Europe. EU = 28 countries, Europe = 47 countries. Please be more respectful to the differences.
    There are also a couple right-leaning governments, especially in Eastern Europe, and Austria has a traditionally strong right-wing. In the 90s the FPÖ was even bigger than they are now. Le Pen, Berlusconi etc., those are not flukes.
     
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    but in Austria they aren't the governing party, neither is Le Pen. I don't remember much of Berlusconi other than his womanizing, but even then the countries social policies, and membership in the EU are at odds with the concept of him being very right wing. Italy was the only place I've ever heard of where anyone can walk into a hospital off the street and be treated no questions asked. The reality is that the entire world is moving left.
     
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    Stuff like this always seems a little weird to me. The guy who created social security here, Otto von Bismarck (a remarkable man), did it first and foremost to silence the socialistic currents and to dry out unions and the church, and thus, cement power. Now, the result is the same as if some leftie had done it. That doesn't make Bismarck a leftie though.
    There is a difference to base an ideology on something or to just use it because it makes sense in the situation.
     
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    It actually does as we are what we do.
     
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    Do we know it wasn't a language issue?

    Maybe these immigrants placed their kids in English private schools or something? English signage on their storefronts perhaps?
     
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    In Sweden, you are either either Swedish. Or Racefied. Try going down the slippery slope, it'll land you with me. And that'll be a great time :D
     
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    The concept of the 'lone wolf'
    The law is written in such a way that a person acting entirely alone is unlikely to face terror charges "unless they were giving money to or leaving to participate in a terrorist group,'' Kent Roach, a law professor at the University of Toronto, told The Canadian Press.

    "A truly lone wolf attack cannot result in most terrorism offences, which require participation or support of a group or commission of an offence for a group,'' Roach said in an email.

    Even if a person consulted materials from a terror group, that would not justify a terror charge, he said.

    "Inspiration alone is not enough — you would need some form of active participation or direct instruction or incitement to commit a terrorist act,'' he said.

    Why accused in Quebec City mosque shooting isn't likely to face terrorism charges
     
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    Huh?
     
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    I dont really think terrorism charges are necessary, it will greatly increase the purden of proof on the police and crown.

    With 6 murder charges and just as many attempted murder charges, the courts dont need the extra help from the terrorism charges to land AB in jail for life.

    Hate charges on the other hand, should be a lot easier to make stick.
     
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    Bismarck - Bleischroder btw. Now I am not unignoring anymore bollocks.
     
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    But then he would be everything, left, right, center, and at the same time, nothing. Doesn't make a lot of sense.
    Nick Diaz ain't gonna be called a wrestler just because he uses one td in a fight, know I'm saying.
     
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    Also, the charge of terrorism can be difficult to prove and they've already got the shooter for 6 murders and 5 attempted murders. Terrorism won't mean he stays in prison any longer.
     
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    Mosque vandalized in Montreal's Pointe-Saint-Charles neighbourhood
     
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    Naaaaah, I think JHB is making some good and objective observations. The policies of EU countries are very much left of the spectrum, there is a lot of government support, bureaucracy and subsidies here. It's not a "one off" situation as you're insinuating with this post...or I am late to the party and have totally misunderstood what you mean -there's always that possibility :/
     
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    He said far left, even on his spectrum (or the American one), I would only agree to that if actual lefties on our spectrum are forming the government, like in Greece. There is much diversity in that across Europe though, and people should still keep in mind: liberal here does not mean left. To put people like Orban in a far leftist hat is simply bizarre. To call Bismarck a leftie is equally bizarre. Its just too easy imo.
    I'd say overall its pretty centrist, but I'll give you the left-leaning on the American scale. Subsidies are a tool everywhere, and afaik the country with the most bureaucratic problems is Italy, not a beacon for the left.

    Look at the real European left we have (lot of links, but good overviews):
    Party of the European Left - Wikipedia
    European United Left–Nordic Green Left - Wikipedia
    Greens–European Free Alliance - Wikipedia
    European Anti-Capitalist Left - Wikipedia
    Initiative of Communist and Workers' Parties - Wikipedia
    These I would call far left, and they are only strong in Greece and a little in Cyprus, that's it.

    The really powerful parties are these here:
    European People's Party - Wikipedia
    Centre-right all the way.
     
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    You make a good point or two there....I misunderstood the discussion.
     
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