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kneeblock

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This distinction kind of has to do with some dubious public communication of science. RNA vaccines rely on messenger RNA as a kind of algorithm to tell your body to produce particular proteins that initiate an immune response. It's part of a suite of novel treatments that are being developed using RNA for treatment of all kinds of things, from cancer to regulating stem cells for various therapies.

Ultimately, an RNA vaccine works similar to any other vaccine in that it tries to stimulate an immune response. The only real difference is rather than getting dead viral cells injected into your body, you're getting the instructions to your body to get its act together and keep shields up in case if encounters this particular illness.

The issue however isn't the delivery system (dead virus vs. RNA). It's whether the instructions and targeting is stable and reliable in the first place, particularly if COVID mutates further or if the mutations it's already undergone could make the virus difficult to pinpoint. COVID has been generally stable and the mutations have mostly been cosmetic for now, which is encouraging.
 

Rambo John J

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This distinction kind of has to do with some dubious public communication of science. RNA vaccines rely on messenger RNA as a kind of algorithm to tell your body to produce particular proteins that initiate an immune response. It's part of a suite of novel treatments that are being developed using RNA for treatment of all kinds of things, from cancer to regulating stem cells for various therapies.

Ultimately, an RNA vaccine works similar to any other vaccine in that it tries to stimulate an immune response. The only real difference is rather than getting dead viral cells injected into your body, you're getting the instructions to your body to get its act together and keep shields up in case if encounters this particular illness.

The issue however isn't the delivery system (dead virus vs. RNA). It's whether the instructions and targeting is stable and reliable in the first place, particularly if COVID mutates further or if the mutations it's already undergone could make the virus difficult to pinpoint. COVID has been generally stable and the mutations have mostly been cosmetic for now, which is encouraging.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Myvc8lwwZsI
 

Filthy

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I don't have the ability to personally assess the safety of a vaccine. Peer review of large studies is the answer.
Standing by to see the studies.
i've reviewed this post of my peer and agree.
 

Rambo John J

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your number for recovery rate is incorrect, and demonstrates a basic lack of understanding of the mathematical basis for concern around this virus.

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It is not my number...it is a number on a Meme

It is an exaggeration most likely trying to balance out the fear mongering from our beloved MSM

In between the extremes lies the truth

It still is gonna add up to required vaccination in the end
 

Filthy

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It is not my number...it is a number on a Meme

It is an exaggeration most likely trying to balance out the fear mongering from our beloved MSM

In between the extremes lies the truth

It still is gonna add up to required vaccination in the end
it's not on the truth spectrum. Period.
there's no nobility in pushing bullshit.

'required' vaccines have never been a thing, it's a big jump.
 

Filthy

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Rambo John J

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it's not on the truth spectrum. Period.
there's no nobility in pushing bullshit.

'required' vaccines have never been a thing, it's a big jump.
The "truth" spectrum is a load of bullshit in 2020

"Nobility" LMAO and GTFO


It will not be required at first, but you will lose rights and access to many many things if you don't play ball.
Make no mistake my friend, there is absolutely an agenda in play.
 

Filthy

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The "truth" spectrum is a load of bullshit in 2020

"Nobility" LMAO and GTFO


It will not be required at first, but you will lose rights and access to many many things if you don't play ball.
Make no mistake my friend, there is absolutely an agenda in play.
how do you differentiate between the results due to an agenda and results due to everyone acting in their own best interests?

but the number you put as the 'recovery rate' is a lie, it's not true, not even a little bit.
 

ShatsBassoon

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This egg-head is locked away in his ivory tower with his precious medical journals. We are in the trenches, getting our hands dirty, working with with our high school educations trying to find common sense virus solutions.
That high school education really paid dividends!
 

Rambo John J

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.2% of the Pfizer results are in...that is how the 90% figure came about...results of only 94 people out of nearly 44,000

Maybe we should not make a headline stating 90% effective until we see the other 99.8% of the data from the trial

This incomplete science at best, blatant misrepresentation and a jump to a conclusion of the absolutely incomplete data





-Science
 
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.2% of the Pfizer results are in...that is how the 90% figure came about...results of only 94 people out of nearly 44,000

Maybe we should not make a headline stating 90% effective until we see the other 99.8% of the data from the trial

This incomplete science at best, blatant misrepresentation and a jump to a conclusion of the absolutely incomplete data





-Science
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