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MMAHAWK

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Some people will get sick and die regardless of vaccines.
And if somebody gets sick and dies that received the vaccine it isn't just because some chose not to get it.

People get sick and die, that is life.

I agree lets get back to business, west coast is ridiculous with this shit.

Some areas may get to 60% or so vaccinated, it won't go much above that regardless of how much our governments leverage death over life.

We aren't even talking booster shots/variants/etc...Defeating a coronavirus(which have always been a rapidly mutating virus) is a pipe dream, always has been.
I believe everyone should have the choice to do what they want.
at this point in many places that decision has been made by the majority of the population.
At some point you have to let the chips fall. If the vaccination works then those that got it will be as safe as possible and those that don’t can deal with whatever happens. I don’t see any other way this should work in the United States.
 
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JorgeMasvidalsBeard

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I believe everyone should have the choice to do what they want.
at this point in many places that decision has been made by the majority of the population.
At some point you have to let the chips fall. If the vaccination works then those that got it will we as safe as possible and those that don’t can deal with whatever happens. I don’t see any other way this should work in the United States.
You make a valid point.
 

Rambo John J

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I believe everyone should have the choice to do what they want.
at this point in many places that decision has been made by the majority of the population.
At some point you have to let the chips fall. If the vaccination works then those that got it will we as safe as possible and those that don’t can deal with whatever happens. I don’t see any other way this should work in the United States.
I agree 100%, you have been around the country and seen for yourself that lack of restrictions isn't leading some states to anything any worse than what is going on in locked-down states.

I am just aware of the MSM and some States push for demonizing non vaccinated people and setting the stage for them to be blamed for shutdowns/lockdowns/deaths/cases/etc...It is obvious to me...that is what my post was hinting at, and what I see occurring.

Here in Oregon we are shut down just as much as we were last April...Because "we need more people vaccinated", when asked "what percentage would allow Oregon to re-open?" our governor refused to give a metric. She also refuses to give any other metrics on when it could open, constantly moving goalposts. At this point her actions aren't science or data driven, just agenda driven.
 

IschKabibble

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I believe everyone should have the choice to do what they want.
at this point in many places that decision has been made by the majority of the population.
At some point you have to let the chips fall. If the vaccination works then those that got it will we as safe as possible and those that don’t can deal with whatever happens. I don’t see any other way this should work in the United States.
I don't understand how everything gets split into a binary decision. Whatever happened to medication therapies? Were we not making good progress there?
 

conor mcgregor nut hugger

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you have been around the country and seen for yourself that lack of restrictions isn't leading some states to anything any worse than what is going on in locked-down states.
California (restrictions) testing positivity rate 0.9%

Florida (no restrictions) 8.5%

Herp a fucking derp.
 

MMAHAWK

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I don't understand how everything gets split into a binary decision. Whatever happened to medication therapies? Were we not making good progress there?
It’s crazy in California
Today Los Angeles announced zero deaths for second day in a row. 4 cases per 100,000
and now bars can be at 25% capacity starting Thursday. It’s crazy how Newsom can tell people nobody died and make it a depressing situation.
 

kneeblock

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How long should states and cities be closed down while we wait for people who won’t get the shot to get it?

If those in danger get it along with millions of others, why should they be held down of they’re now safe?

seems to me at some point we have to accept that some people will still get sick and die. And at this point that’s on them.
The serious answer to this is that if you have a large enough population that remains unvaccinated and continues to provide the virus with hosts, the likelihood of new variants springing up increases. As we already know, the vaccines show some diminished effectiveness against certain strains, which is why we'll need boosters inside a year.

Beyond this, it also means we'll still have a sizable enough population crowding our healthcare system and overburdening health workers, thus continuing the delay in care for other ailments many have experienced. Also, the steadier the infection rate, the more difficult contact tracing is which means targeted quarantines at the county, city or neighborhood level won't be effective.

In my view, if there had been more investment in contact tracing and more financial incentive for businesses to close things down a long time ago, we could have gotten much more ahead of this thing than we did. Instead, we had an incredibly opaque and competitive lending program to businesses and some of the most hare brained contact tracing possible. All of that said, 70% vaccinated in a county should be adequate to lighten up some mitigation protocols. 70% statewide should make contact tracing and hospital capacity manageable enough that mitigation can be eased completely except in the case of a sudden spike.
 

conor mcgregor nut hugger

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Ok but the point was that places with no restrictions are definitely seeing negative impacts, as we are in FL. The death rate in FL hasn't climbed a lot higher than Cali's yet but by the time we're back to normal as a country I suspect it will, unfortunately.

Imo that's worth a temporary rise in unemployment figures, provided that the unemployed are taken care of.
 

Rambo John J

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The serious answer to this is that if you have a large enough population that remains unvaccinated and continues to provide the virus with hosts, the likelihood of new variants springing up increases. As we already know, the vaccines show some diminished effectiveness against certain strains, which is why we'll need boosters inside a year.

Beyond this, it also means we'll still have a sizable enough population crowding our healthcare system and overburdening health workers, thus continuing the delay in care for other ailments many have experienced. Also, the steadier the infection rate, the more difficult contact tracing is which means targeted quarantines at the county, city or neighborhood level won't be effective.

In my view, if there had been more investment in contact tracing and more financial incentive for businesses to close things down a long time ago, we could have gotten much more ahead of this thing than we did. Instead, we had an incredibly opaque and competitive lending program to businesses and some of the most hare brained contact tracing possible. All of that said, 70% vaccinated in a county should be adequate to lighten up some mitigation protocols. 70% statewide should make contact tracing and hospital capacity manageable enough that mitigation can be eased completely except in the case of a sudden spike.
Oppressive post is oppressive

70% is unrealistic for easing or lightening restrictions, no reason to be stuck on that metric or percentage

States are open right now

Have you been forced to close a business?
Missed a year worth of Pay?
 
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JorgeMasvidalsBeard

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Filthy

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Oppressive post is oppressive

70% is unrealistic for easing or lightening restrictions, no reason to be stuck on that metric or percentage

States are open right now

Have you been forced to close a business?
Missed a year worth of Pay?
i think what kneeblock @kneeblock is pointing out is that if we had handled this like a public health emergency, instead of like a good excuse to transfer wealth vertically, no one would have missed a year of pay or been forced to close a business. With the right incentives, high risk businesses would voluntarily close and still be able to reopen when responsible.

And don't get me started on how we had the vaccine in February of last year...We could have been at 70% vaccinated by Labor Day for a fraction of $9T...let's not pretend it had to be this way.
 

Filthy

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I believe everyone should have the choice to do what they want.
at this point in many places that decision has been made by the majority of the population.
At some point you have to let the chips fall. If the vaccination works then those that got it will be as safe as possible and those that don’t can deal with whatever happens. I don’t see any other way this should work in the United States.
i don't think most people made that have made their decision were well-informed. But this isn't a situation where you as an individual bear the consequences of your actions. This is a situation where we all have to look out for each other, and ignore the divisive message from both sides.

if you're not going to get vaccinated and just live your life, you're (at best) ignorant or selfish. I haven't come across anyone who can express their desire to live that life who isn't also at least one of those two things with respect to the pandemic.

Not that the gov't can tell people how to live their life. I don't look at gov't agents as my superiors because they won a popularity contest.
but if we're at the point where we need politicians to tell us to act like humans, we're probably fucked anyway.
 

Let Love Lead

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i don't think most people made that have made their decision were well-informed. But this isn't a situation where you as an individual bear the consequences of your actions. This is a situation where we all have to look out for each other, and ignore the divisive message from both sides.

if you're not going to get vaccinated and just live your life, you're (at best) ignorant or selfish. I haven't come across anyone who can express their desire to live that life who isn't also at least one of those two things with respect to the pandemic.

Not that the gov't can tell people how to live their life. I don't look at gov't agents as my superiors because they won a popularity contest.
but if we're at the point where we need politicians to tell us to act like humans, we're probably fucked anyway.
I’m not gonna get the vaccine because I’ve been proven too strong for covid and therefore I can’t pass it on. And I’m scared of needles.
 

JorgeMasvidalsBeard

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i think what kneeblock @kneeblock is pointing out is that if we had handled this like a public health emergency, instead of like a good excuse to transfer wealth vertically, no one would have missed a year of pay or been forced to close a business. With the right incentives, high risk businesses would voluntarily close and still be able to reopen when responsible.

And don't get me started on how we had the vaccine in February of last year...We could have been at 70% vaccinated by Labor Day for a fraction of $9T...let's not pretend it had to be this way.
Public health is a single component. Treating it as a public health issue alone is what's lead to the catastrophe we now find ourselves in.
 

Filthy

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"Correlation doesn't equal causation" as the old saying goes.
true - but there is no actual research that indicates the virus doesn't spread outdoors - day or night - so we should Follow The Science.
encourage people who are vaccinated to gather in smallish groups, wear masks if they're going to be close together for more than 15m.