Rorion Gracie a scumbag. Real Reason why they used Royce

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Vagabond

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Not sure if this is common knowledge but Rorion Gracie is kind of a scumbag. He pulled some shady moves against his own family when they moved to the US. Remember those UFC documentaries that said they used Royce Gracie(since he was skinny and weak) for UFC 1 to show the effectiveness of the Gracie JuJitsu? All lies. It was because of the drama with Rickson.
 

LurkenLikaGherkin

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Not sure if this is common knowledge but Rorion Gracie is kind of a scumbag. He pulled some shady moves against his own family when they moved to the US. Remember those UFC documentaries that said they used Royce Gracie(since he was skinny and weak) for UFC 1 to show the effectiveness of the Gracie JuJitsu? All lies. It was because of the drama with Rickson.
1st time ever seeing this -- thanks.
 

Vagabond

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Seems to be part of this series (linking without watching first)?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS2NfEYs5JM


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbx7HAeIqJE


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ0On3hkLGs


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zagi-4RwPnY


Not sure whose channel that is, but it has a bunch of Ralph Gracie instructional vids on it, most recently.
Yea. I think those are the rest of the clips for the documentary. Very interesting stuff.
 

KWingJitsu

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Rener Gracie seems like the most decent out the family.
Except for the whole "Gracie University - earn your blue belt from your computer" thing... he is his father's kid.
 

Vagabond

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it's from this documentary, called "The Gracies and the Birth of Vale Tudo"
here's a small clip from youtube, it's about Rolls, supposedly the best Gracie of all time.
 

regular john

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Cliff notes? Videos are down.
Just your everyday typical family drama. One bro moved to the usa and trademarked the family brand for himself...

The other bros got pissed and wouldn't fight in his nhb vale tudo tournaments...
 
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kneeblock

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This documentary was heavily skewed to make Carlos' side of the family seem overlooked and persecuted.

While most of what they attribute to Rorion is accurate, Carlinhos really isn't much better. It would be nice to see someone actually do an objective film that shows the good and bad on all sides. Reila Gracie's book is the closest we come because she seems to paint people in a bad light even when she appears to be complimenting them, but she too is heavily biased against Rorion.

As some have said, Rorion set the table everyone is eating off of, so it's hard to complain too much, but his dishonesty in doing so should never be forgotten.
 

Vagabond

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I ordered the DVD, wish I can post this whole thing without being sued. It's biased but quite entertaining.
 

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Cliff notes? Videos are down.
In the video, according to Ryan Gracie (Carlo's grandson), Rorion took advantage of Rickson when he first moved to the states. Rickson barely spoke english at the time, and Rorion had him sign a contract about Rickson only allowed to fight with Rorion's permission. Rorion would also collect 70% of Rickson's pay. And is the reason Rickson never fought in United States, he always fought in Japan. And then Rorion registered the Gracie name and the Triangle symbol, none of the other Gracies were allowed to use the name "Gracie" for their schools. Soon after Rickson left and started his own school without using the name Gracie, just Rickson for awhile. Then when the Rorion invented the UFC, All the family was expecting obvious choice to compete in it would be Rickson (for being the best) or Renzo (for being the youngest) but Rorion went with Royce because Royce will be easy to control for his purpose and some sour feelings he had for Rickson when they separated.

After Carlos died, Carley Gracie sued Rorion for trying to keep the name for himself. Rorion counter-sued Carley for infringing on his business. They went to court, Gracie vs Gracie. All the family was pissed at Rorion. The name issue was taken care of but cour had Carley pay Rorion for infrigement of business for amount close to a million. Too much drama and stress, that's when Rickson started looking into yoga and meditation and breathing.
 
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