Rousey opens as big favorite against Tate

[Narcosynthesis]

Ronda doesn't need you to speak for her

I don't speak for her but I've read things Tate and Holm's camp have said in the past and no one seems willing to fight Cyborg at anything other than 135 lbs, unless Dana compels them to do so. That makes me wonder why. I can only assume it's the size advantage she would have, which would be someone where around 15 lbs.

Ronda: "I would fight Cyborg at 140 lbs if Dana asked me to do it".

Tate: "That's my job. I have to fight anyone they put in front of me and obviously I'm not scared of anyone. So yes, I would (fight her at catchweight). But I heard Cyborg is signed to fight at 135, so I would prefer to fight her in my weight class. If they had a 125, I'd like to go down, but they don't, so it's 135 for me."

Holm's coach Winklejohn: "“Cris ‘Cyborg’ is just incredible with her strength and with what she can so”, he said. “I don’t know if she can make the weight at 135 pounds yet. She’s got a lot of holes in her game, a lot of craziness. That girl is so strong, so we’d have to be worried about it. But Holly would fight her in a heartbeat.”

I don't see anybody saying they'll move up in weight unless Dana told them to do it. In fact, Tate would move down, probably to get away from Ronda's dominance over her and Holm's coach didn't even entertain the thought of the fight happening at any weight other than 135. I guess we are all left waiting for Cyborg, like always.

 

[ThatOneDude]

What's it like?

 

[Punch]

What's it like?

What's what like homie? *he asked with a grin*

 

[Jehannum]

What's what like homie? *he asked with a grin*

I had a feeling this was gonna be a "the taste of his ballsack" kind of thing

 

[Punch]

I had a feeling this was gonna be a "the taste of his ballsack" kind of thing

I just wanted to see what direction he was going with this shit. You can never be sure with thatonedude.

 

[jason73]

Ronda doesn't need you to speak for her

 

[Jehannum]

 

[WoodenPupa]

For the millionth time...for the million, billion, trillionth...etc...time.

Get a fucking automated system of matchups. Integrate the matchup formula with a rankings formula.

Rankings determine matchups or they're worthless.

 

[Jehannum]

For the millionth time...for the million, billion, trillionth...etc...time.

Get a fucking automated system of matchups. Integrate the matchup formula with a rankings formula.

Rankings determine matchups or they're worthless.

because the country or location of the event can be a factor in who fights on which cards.

and nice idea using rankings but that got criticised heavily when the original reebok deal structure was going to use those same rankings. so I seriously doubt that would work, and conspiracy theorists would be out in full force debating the validity of most matchups. At least we know that when someone jumps 5 spots in the rankings right before one of their fights, it's the UFC promoting the event

 

[WoodenPupa]

Jesus. The UFC roster is a sea of starving beggars crying out to the castle walls, to the everlasting amusement of King Lorezno and Duke Dana as they muse over which beggar is begging the hardest.

 

[Jehannum]

For the millionth time...for the million, billion, trillionth...etc...time.

Get a fucking automated system of matchups. Integrate the matchup formula with a rankings formula.

Rankings determine matchups or they're worthless.

another thing to consider is how unfair it would be on some fighters.

imagine you're not earning much yet and you get picked to fight in England, then Japan, then USA, then Australia, then Germany, then China, and so on while another fighter who is based in the USA gets all his fights in the USA.

it would be yet another issue to factor in and they are already doing it with the current system in place.

the real issue is the UFC seem to be in a totally different sphere of existence to the MMA communities

 

[Jehannum]

Jesus. The UFC roster is a sea of starving beggars crying out to the castle walls, to the everlasting amusement of King Lorezno and Duke Dana as they muse over which beggar is begging the hardest.

beggars can be choosers

 

[WoodenPupa]

because the country or location of the event can be a factor in who fights on which cards.

This isn't a serious objection at all, and for a handful of reasons. First and foremost, the rankings don't have to determine *when* a fighter fights. Second, to accept as valid the idea that location is a good way to determine matchups is to go along with the Zuffa rationale.

and nice idea using rankings but that got criticised heavily when the original reebok deal structure was going to use those same rankings.

You don't understand at all what you're criticizing here. Those rankings were not determined by a formula.

nd conspiracy theorists would be out in full force debating the validity of most matchups.

Right. The first order of things should be to keep the conspiracy theorists happy!

 

[WoodenPupa]

another thing to consider is how unfair it would be on some fighters.

imagine you're not earning much yet and you get picked to fight in England, then Japan, then USA, then Australia, then Germany, then China, and so on while another fighter who is based in the USA gets all his fights in the USA.

No idea what you're talking about here. A rankings/matchup formula does not have to determine where a fight takes place...lol.

 

[WoodenPupa]

beggars can be choosers

Matchups can be rational.

 

[Jehannum]

This isn't a serious objection at all, and for a handful of reasons. First and foremost, the rankings don't have to determine *when* a fighter fights. Second, to accept as valid the idea that location is a good way to determine matchups is to go along with the Zuffa rationale.

I didn't say it's a good way, I said it's a factor, and your system becomes a convoluted mess soon as a fighter gets injured, and ofc the formula matching fighters up but not picking an event means not picking a date. Fighters have lives too and may not want to fight their chosen opponent yet, while their opponent does want to fight a.s.a.p

so then you have to adjust it, and adjust it again, and some more, and keep making adjustments. what's the point? improving matchmaking is important but not like this.

 

[WoodenPupa]

your system becomes a convoluted mess

What we have is a mess that is galaxies beyond convoluted.

 

[Jehannum]

Matchups can be rational.

boxrec has a really complex formula for rankings and it's often ridiculous.

 

[Jehannum]

What we have is a mess that is galaxies beyond convoluted.

I've been watching UFC events for years ... they seem to manage even if we don't agree with all the matchups

 

[WoodenPupa]

the formula matching fighters up but not picking an event means not picking a date.

People can pick the date, for crying out loud. You're not making any sense at all.

 

[WoodenPupa]

I've been watching UFC events for years ... they seem to manage even if we don't agree with all the matchups

I'm not coming at this from the UFC's standpoint. This is from the fighters' standpoint.

 

[Jehannum]

People can pick the date, for crying out loud. You're not making any sense at all.

no they can't. Events are booked ahead of time.

if you pick a date you pick a location, plain and simple.

 

[Jehannum]

I'm not coming at this from the UFC's standpoint. This is from the fighters' standpoint.

fighter's don't run the UFC, just saying

suggest a union, awesome, suggest a more diverse team of matchmakers, fantastic.

 

[WoodenPupa]

boxrec has a really complex formula for rankings and it's often ridiculous.

Everyone argues that everyone else's system is ridiculous. That's normal. The point is to normalize the matchup process by automating it. That way nobody can complain, because exactly the same logic is used in every matchup.

Furthermore, everybody knows the consequence of every fight. As it stands, no one knows what winning or losing a fight will do for their career. Will a win result in a title fight? Maybe...maybe not!

Yep, awesome system.

 

[WoodenPupa]

if you pick a date you pick a location, plain and simple.

You don't need to pick a DATE with the formula! Jesus Christ!