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Lord Vutulaki

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SOMETIMES you have to be cruel to be kind.

That’s the thinking behind a decision by Chinese fishermen who demanded money from a grieving couple in exchange for removing their son’s floating corpse from a river.

Deng Shuchao threw himself from a bridge into the Jinsha River near his home in Panzhihua in China’s Sichuan Province on November 30. Deng, a taxi driver, ended his life three days before his body was found, according to the South China Morning Post.

But when the time came to retrieve the young man’s body, which was tethered to a rock metres from shore, the family and the fishermen reached a stalemate.

The family could not touch the body themselves because it is deemed unlucky to do so. And the fishermen would not pull it to shore without a “finder’s fee” of 18,000 yuan ($AU3850), an amount the parents said they could not afford.

For three days the family waited on the river bank and begged the fishermen to do the right thing. Photographs show them crying and staring out at the water.


Police intervened, the Post reported, and convinced the family to borrow money from relatives before the 25-year-old’s body was finally brought to shore.

Deng’s father told local newspaper West China City Daily he begged to no avail. He said the fishermen were determined to receive payment for the trouble of salvaging the corpse.

“There were six fishermen. I pleaded with them, cried and offered them 200 yuan each. But they still rejected me,” he said.

Jiang Jian, a law professor at Sichuan Normal University, told the Chengdu Business Daily that asking money to retrieve a dead body was not a criminal offence. He said it could not be deemed blackmail because technically they were doing the bereaved parents a favour.

China Daily wrote this week that the fishermen acted immorally but police should accept some of the moral outrage, too.

“The root cause of the problem is the absence of this public service,” the opinion piece read.

“When a government does not help recover a body, there are those who will try and make money from people’s desire to say goodbye and send off their loved ones with a funeral.



“Worse, when the police finally arrived, they “negotiated” for a discount instead of providing the help the couple needed. They are well-trained and fully capable of retrieving the body from water but they simply did not do that. They bear some of the moral blame.”

Negotiating the retrieval of corpses is nothing new in China. The BBC reported in 2010 that corpse-fishers were making good money fishing for bodies on China’s Yellow River.

A 55-year-old man named Wei Xinpeng said at the time he had collected more than 500 bodies which he sold back to families for a fee. Some of those were drowning victims, others had committed suicide.

“I bring dignity to the dead,” he said. For him, it was also personal: his son had drowned in the river and nobody ever found his corpse.

“It was very painful. That’s why I started doing this job.”

The Global Times reported three college students drowned in 2009 in Hubei Province while saving two boys from a river. Fishermen found their bodies and demanded their classmates pay to have them removed from the water.

English-language Chinese news site Sina reported a couple drowned in 2013 in Zhejiang Province. On that occasion, salvagers demanded a sum of money from local residents for returning the corpses to shore.

Spokeswoman for all things Chinese Emilyoshida couldnt be reached for comment.

Fishermen demand money to retrieve dead body from Chinese river for family
 

mysticmac

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It goes to show that you shouldn't believe in the hebejebes. I would have gone out and got my son's body myself ASAP. I don't want that shit sitting in the water. Put him to rest.
 

Leigh

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I'd charge someone as well. If you believe in mumbo jumbo, that's your choice. You want me to fish a dead body out of the water just because you're superstitious, line my pockets.

LOL @ this being a "stalemate", like some kind of stand off.
 

mysticmac

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I'd charge someone as well. If you believe in mumbo jumbo, that's your choice. You want me to fish a dead body out of the water just because you're superstitious, line my pockets.
I completely disagree. A family is in pain. All they want is their kid's body out of the water. It isn't much of a job. You have a boat? 30 minutes, you're done and did something nice for someone. Be a decent person and do it. It isn't like the "nice thing" is going to get a their kid's favorite beach ball out of class five rapids.

You should have your own beliefs that enable you to do that despite what theirs may be.
 

Lord Vutulaki

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I'd charge someone as well. If you believe in mumbo jumbo, that's your choice. You want me to fish a dead body out of the water just because you're superstitious, line my pockets.

LOL @ this being a "stalemate", like some kind of stand off.

What if they asked because they can't swim? I know that isn't what transpired but juat wondering what you think of this scenario.
 

Leigh

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What if they asked because they can't swim? I know that isn't what transpired but juat wondering what you think of this scenario.
If they are physically incapable, yes I would help them.

This nonsense about "bad luck" does not pluck at my heart strings.
 

mysticmac

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What if they asked because they can't swim? I know that isn't what transpired but juat wondering what you think of this scenario.
Still though, this can't be the only boat in town. They could have figured something out.

But those guys with the boat are still shitheads the way they acted. Just do it.
 

mysticmac

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If they are physically incapable, yes I would help them.

This nonsense about "bad luck" does not pluck at my heart strings.
How about the bad luck of losing a loved one and seeing their body floating in a river for the first time?
 

Lord Vutulaki

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Still though, this can't be the only boat in town. They could have figured something out.

But those guys with the boat are still shitheads the way they acted. Just do it.
Yeah id help them either way but Leigh has a point. What the cops did is mind bottling tho
 

mysticmac

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Yeah id help them either way but Leigh has a point. What the cops did is mind bottling tho
Yeah, the cops were shitheads too. I see Leigh's point about not respecting the superstition, but they still should have helped rather than extorting a grieving family.
 

Lord Vutulaki

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Yeah, the cops were shitheads too. I see Leigh's point about not respecting the superstition, but they still should have helped rather than extorting a grieving family.
I think helping the public is somewhere amongst their KPIs

People crying always gets to me unless its my wife crying
 

mysticmac

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I think helping the public is somewhere amongst their KPIs

People crying always gets to me unless its my wife crying
Help me out. KPI = key performance indicator??? I googled it, and I'm not connecting the dots. If they value helping people, why not just help these people?
 

KWingJitsu

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Heartbreaking.... but China......
 

Lord Vutulaki

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Help me out. KPI = key performance indicator??? I googled it, and I'm not connecting the dots. If they value helping people, why not just help these people?
You got it right. The cops job description ought to include helping the public
 

Leigh

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How about the bad luck of losing a loved one and seeing their body floating in a river for the first time?
I don't understand your point. Their son's body is in the river and they are completely capable of retrieving it themselves. I do see the fishermen as somewhat mercenary and agree that the Chinese culture is pretty selfish and money orientated.
 

Hwoarang

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Exploiting emotional people is something done all over the world.
Check out how much a simple wooden box costs at your local funeral director, and crying and being poor won't get you a discount.
 

mysticmac

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I don't understand your point. Their son's body is in the river and they are completely capable of retrieving it themselves. I do see the fishermen as somewhat mercenary and agree that the Chinese culture is pretty selfish and money orientated.
I don't think it is clear that they are able to retrieve it. Even if they were physically able, I would have just wanted to help when it was something that was a seemingly small amount of work. That's not a good situation for people to be in. Cut them some slack.

But, yeah, we agree on this situation being fueled by money.
 

Lord Vutulaki

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Why for you you enforce western ideal for asia? This like opium war all over again you want global free trade you send cheque

Fucking gui lou

Edit: no racism please - L

Opps didn't realize anyone would know what I meant sorry.

Hows "the box" subforum coming along?
 

mysticmac

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To be clear, the family was off for not getting the body by any means necessary due to superstition. The guys with the boat are shitheads for not getting the body just to help a grieving family, and the cops are shitheads for not just helping that family.