General So This Is How The Iran War begins

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  1. KWingJitsu

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  2. Kaladin Stormblessed

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    Didn't read article. But I started fearing this yesterday. The people who trump has surrounded himself with dont bode well for those of us who say hell no

    Am I mistaken or did someone recently mention the desire to dethrone their leader?
     
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    the bastard is stating right now that the US is pulling out of the deal
     
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    Not necessarily but Trump is def sending a clear message to everyone and I for one like it.
     
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    I do too. Politicians in this country have put the best interest of America and it's citizens to the wayside for far too long. Fuck some of the deals these scumbags made in the past. Long overdue for some changes.
     
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  6. KWingJitsu

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    LOL @ this. Yeah. Changes like now Israel can send Bibi (with another cartoon bomb drawing) to claim Iran is manufacturing WMDS and America can send in troops to give them some "freedom". Maybe that's in America's best interest to you?
     
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    Fukn stupid. Going rogue when all our allies are advising otherwise a la the Paris Climate Deal.

    Iran and Saudi Arabia are involved in a proxy war for dominance over the Muslim world. Both countries do fucked-up shit.

    But one is our best friend and we're now re-making the other our enemy.
     
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  8. jason73

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    Fuck iran
     
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    Trump is honestly the worst President we've ever seen
     
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  11. Kaladin Stormblessed

    Kaladin Stormblessed "Am a what, son" is code for...

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    I don't like that this sort of decision can be made through executive authority. It's too much power for a single person
     
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  12. Alex Wagner

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    Trump is the only president I think to actually follow through with every single campaign promise. Pretty crazy. Lowest unemployment rate across the board, economy is booming, sending clear messages internationally that the USA can’t be pushed around anymore etc etc etc. you can be mad at this guy all you want but he is cleaning up many messes made by republicans and democrats. Keep hating Trump it’s actially fuels him lol
     
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    that would be Enock or Longo and they are both gone.

    But, I am the one who asked what was next on the list

    I am sure the list has grown since then
     
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    LOL somebody thinks your drunk for such a logical post
     
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    Withdrawing from the JCPOA is a huge unforced error and self-inflicted wound whose full costs we won’t realize until later, and it represents a serious setback to the cause of nonproliferation. Trump is walking away from a deal that got the U.S. almost everything it wanted at virtually no cost, and he is doing it mainly because it allows him to repudiate his predecessor’s work. It is a perfect example of putting petty self-interest and pique ahead of the interests of the United States, and it has absolutely nothing to do with putting America first.

    Iran can now rid itself of all but the most basic nuclear inspections. As a member of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty Iran is required to accept a basic level of nuclear inspections. However, Iran had been under 24 hour, seven day a week surveillance at key sites, had hundreds of inspectors at its facilities and was prohibited from expanding its uranium enrichment work beyond 5,060 enrichment machines, having any uranium enriched beyond 3.67% (to make a bomb over 90% enrichment levels are needed), or possessing any more than 300 kilograms of uranium for 15 years (far less than needed for even one bomb). Iran, at any time and without any notification to the world, can now possess as many centrifuges and as much uranium at as high an enrichment level as it chooses. This could put it weeks away from building a nuclear weapon.

    Several states have made it clear over the years that if Iran is able to build a nuclear weapon, they will do the same. Saudi Arabia's crown prince just told American reporters in March that his country would. Turkey, likewise, has indicated for years that it will match any capability Iran has. America reportedly deploys nuclear weapons in Turkey, and while we are told they are secure, the air base at which they are stored was a battle ground in the coup in Turkey in 2016. It is only a matter of time before there are multiple states with the ability to build nuclear weapons in the Middle East. We are likely to see a mobilization race that could make the origins of World War I seem cute by comparison. It is not clear how any of this makes America safer, let alone Israel.

    America has led the effort to stop or slow proliferation for decades. We helped bring about the global legal regime that supports inspections, sanctions, verification and benefits for states who comply with their obligations. In this, we have been the essential state and provided leadership over both Democratic and Republican administrations and Congresses. After the invasion of Iraq over weapons of mass destruction that did not exist in 2003, the United States spent a decade working to restore our credibility and leadership. Trump just tore that up, too, and it will be hard, if not impossible, to ever restore that credibility.

    It is not just all about nuclear weapons. When the American president gives his word or negotiates a deal, it has to mean something, or our leadership across a full range of complex global issues suffers. After withdrawing from the Paris climate change agreement and the Trans-Pacific Partnership, America is more isolated in trade and climate science. Now, with the destruction of the Iran accord, America is further isolating itself on security affairs as well. Who would take any U.S. president's word for anything in the future? Fewer deals will be struck, costing America dearly.




    “Depending on how severe and immediate U.S. withdrawal will turn out, the EU should establish procedures that allow European companies to trade with Iran to entice Tehran to stay in the deal,” said Cornelius Adebahr, a fellow at Carnegie Europe. "This includes setting up euro-denominated credit lines and clearing-houses that can green-light legitimate business with Iran."

    Continuing to weaken US soft power and the dollar internationally.




    Looks like this will make Trump's big donor, Sheldon Adelson, happy.


    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sCW4IasWXc&feature=youtu.be&t=18s


    Trump’s Choice of Bolton Satisfies His Biggest Donor
     
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    Welcome back Splinty.
     
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    My favorite part about the Bibi presentation about Iran previously trying to build a bomb in secret, which everyone knew - that was the whole point - is that Israel has nuclear weapons because of a secret program.
     
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    I like it too. I own shares in an oil company so more instanbility in the Middle East means oil prices - and the share prices of oil companies- will go up.

    Plus more war means more soldiers, which is a job, so more jobs like Trump promised. MAGA!!!!
     
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    It is very bold, very provocative of Iran to move it's borders so close to US bases.

    This will not go unpunished imo.



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    so iran spends 40 years chanting death to america and burning american flags. they hold american hostages for 444 days in the embassy but somehow trump is the bad guy ? lol wut
     
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    Mossadegh had sought to audit the documents of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company(AIOC), a British corporation (now part of BP) and to limit the company's control over Iranian oil reserves. Upon the refusal of the AIOC to co-operate with the Iranian government, the parliament (Majlis) voted to nationalize Iran's oil industry and to expel foreign corporate representatives from the country.[10][11][12] After this vote, Britain instigated a worldwide boycott of Iranian oil to pressure Iran economically.[13] Initially, Britain mobilized its military to seize control of the British-built Abadan oil refinery, then the world's largest, but Prime Minister Clement Attlee opted instead to tighten the economic boycott[14]while using Iranian agents to undermine Mosaddegh's government.[15] Winston Churchill and the Eisenhower administrationdecided to overthrow Iran's government, though the predecessor Truman administration had opposed a coup, fearing the precedent that Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) involvement would set.[16] Classified documents show that British intelligence officials played a pivotal role in initiating and planning the coup, and that the AIOC contributed $25,000 towards the expense of bribing officials.[17] In August 2013, 60 years afterward, the American CIA admitted that it was in charge of both the planning and the execution of the coup, including the bribing of Iranian politicians, security and army high-ranking officials, as well as pro-coup propaganda.[18][19] The CIA is quoted acknowledging the coup was carried out "under CIA direction" and "as an act of U.S. foreign policy, conceived and approved at the highest levels of government".[20]

    Following the coup in 1953, a government under General Fazlollah Zahedi was formed which allowed Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the last Shah of Iran (Persian for an Iranian king),[21] to rule more firmly as monarch. He relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power.[10][11][12][22] According to the CIA's declassified documents and records, some of the most feared mobsters in Tehran were hired by the CIA to stage pro-Shah riots on 19 August. Other CIA-paid men were brought into Tehran in buses and trucks, and took over the streets of the city.[23] Between 200[3] and 300[4] people were killed because of the conflict. Mosaddegh was arrested, tried and convicted of treason by the Shah's military court. On 21 December 1953, he was sentenced to three years in jail, then placed under house arrest for the remainder of his life.[24][25][26] Other Mosaddegh supporters were imprisoned, and several received the death penalty.[12] After the coup, the Shah continued his rule as monarch for the next 26 years[11][12] until he was overthrown in the Iranian Revolution in 1979.[11][12][27]
     
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    So long?
    You don't think Kim is going to be even more distrusting of any deal with US after this?
    He's keeping his nukes friend.
     
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    Anyone who thought Kim was ever going to get rid of his nukes is a bit of an imbecile
     
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  25. KWingJitsu

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    Context... so long as in "so long to war with NK", and now war with Iran coming soon.
     
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