Sweden now reaching a few shootings a week.

[Disciplined Galt]

Pisses me off. Coming up all we in the rough trade had to worry about was the occasional stabbing, now my friends have to wear fucking kevlar

25-årig man ihjälskjuten i gänguppgörelse i Stockholmsförort

Google Translate does a fair job with Swedish - English.

IMO it's not about multi-culturalism but an increased inequality in living standards. How to eliminate that is a difficult question. More suited for Engineers!

 

[Disciplined Galt]

@Leigh

 

[Disciplined Galt]

Just putting this in the same place. What this young man is saying resonates a lot with me. Doesn't really come across as a bad guy either. I will confirm that the translation is excellent. A lot of guys that I came up with have a similar take on things.

"Allahu Akbar, om ni kastar ut mig kommer jag ta tio svenskars liv"

 

[megatherium]

The problem is, the Swedes just aren't doing multiculturalism right. It's like our old friend David Horner says, multiculturalism should be Utopian, like in Star Trek, not dystopian, like in Europe.

 

[1031]

What's the point of taking in a bunch of beggars who get violent when they don't get enough of what they're begging for? If you, as a society, haven't got what it takes to ensure full integration then just stay out of it for the sake of yourselves.

 

[HEATH VON DOOM]

Now does anyone wonder why the Japanese basically banned immigration?

 

[Lord Vutulaki]

Now does anyone wonder why the Japanese basically banned immigration?

Just like countries which colonised others I believe they have a duty to take in migrants.

They also have some fucked up laws, I Jap can rape and kill a newborn overseas and as long as he makes it home without being caught he is safe from prosecution.

Its not the Japs you have to worry about there tho, the top baby rapers in SE asia are Korean males where similar laws apply

"

• South Korea: South Korean men have been major drivers of child sex tourism in Asia for some time.

In 2005, The Korea Times reported that an international symposium was held to talk about strategies for curbing the high numbers of Korean child sex tourists to southeast Asia. The symposium, "Conditions and Countermeasures to Overseas Child and Youth Sex Tourism by Korean Men" discussed issues concerning Korean male soliciting of child prostitutes across Asia, but Cambodia and The Philippines were especially worrisome. "[Panelists] said male Korean tourists are believed to abuse the unfortunate situation of poor Cambodian children," who are coerced into selling sexual favors in order to help their families.[35] As for the Philippines, the report noted, "An increasing number of Koreans bought sex in the Philippines, sometimes abusing prostitutes. The Philippine government has urged the Korean government to take firm action against soliciting prostitutes, in particular buying sex from children

 

[megatherium]

Now does anyone wonder why the Japanese basically banned immigration?

You raise an interesting question about the Oriental viewpoint.

I just read an interesting article about this today on another site:

Chinese Reflections on Europe

David Zhang, American Renaissance, January 22, 2016

Chinese Reflections on Europe

 

[HEATH VON DOOM]

That escalated quickly

 

[Darqnezz]

Gangsta Swedes!!! The world is going to hell.

 

[ThatOneDude]

Gangsta Swedes!!! The world is going to hell.

It's all America's fault bro

 

[WEWEREONABREAK]

What's the point of taking in a bunch of beggars who get violent when they don't get enough of what they're begging for? If you, as a society, haven't got what it takes to ensure full integration then just stay out of it for the sake of yourselves.

To destroy nationalist sentiment and create a new country out of Europe. Reduce the native population as much as possible and shuffle as many people around as possible.

There seems to be no other logical reason for something as absurd as Schengen.

 

[WEWEREONABREAK]

Just like countries which colonised others I believe they have a duty to take in migrants.

I don't think anyone has such a duty.

Every group of people has oppressed other groups of people at one point or another. I'm of western European descent. Some 1 million + people were taken as slaves to Tripoli and other cities during the barbary era. Doesn't mean I have a right to immigrate to Lybia.

 

[Deleted member 1]

Just putting this in the same place. What this young man is saying resonates a lot with me. Doesn't really come across as a bad guy either. I will confirm that the translation is excellent. A lot of guys that I came up with have a similar take on things.

"Allahu Akbar, om ni kastar ut mig kommer jag ta tio svenskars liv"

All I see here is the same logic as every "enlightened" college freshman wrapped with the threat of violence.
He has lived in Sweden from 13 to 23 and blames all others for every woe in his life.

What blows my mind is that he just doesn't "get" open society. Like he seems to be getting crushed mentally from the idea that anyone thinks different than him.

But again, here he is locked into this "identity" of who he is holding onto it to the point of violent threats. I wonder what Sweden does for a new 13 year old like him? Does he get put in public schools? Does he get put in immigrant neighborhoods with only other immigrant schools?
I dunno. But I'd guess that he is fairly isolated from the society in day to day to still be so parallel in his living, but not really integrated in thought, speech, or dress.

Now does anyone wonder why the Japanese basically banned immigration?

Because much of the society is hugely xenophobic and don't have any idea how to integrate anyone else.

You know who didn't ban immigration? The only hyperpower, the richest most powerful country to ever exist on the face of the earth.

There's lots good about Japan, but lets not prop up the policies born out of fear and viewing everyone including Americans, Europeans, and other Asians as second class humans.

While I can understand a country that doesn't know how to integrate someone not biting into that pie quickly (I don't think they should), Japan is a unique circumstance of exceptional xenophobia due to a long history of closed borders as the underlying cause.

 

[Deleted member 1]

What's the point of taking in a bunch of beggars who get violent when they don't get enough of what they're begging for? If you, as a society, haven't got what it takes to ensure full integration then just stay out of it for the sake of yourselves.

This is really the crux of it.
Take in lower numbers and learn how to integrate people before your heart outdoes your mind.

Immigration is an economic power driver. Its a brain trust. Immigrants that are able to be integrated in a generation or two result in lower crime communities, despite often lower incomes.

In the USA Asian, Hispanic, Indian, and Middle Eastern, and European immigrants have the ability to dig down and provide their children an opportunity. And they do so by the numbers. The Hispanic wave had a bad bump of integration until the second wave started (post the original asylum) and now their children integrate at rates as fast or faster than the Irish and other immigration that everyone is so comfortable with.

But all that shit falls apart if you bring them in and tell them that their children and grandchildren can look forward to the same impoverished life and then ask them to thank you for it.

 

[Disciplined Galt]

All I see here is the same logic as every "enlightened" college freshman wrapped with the threat of violence.
He has lived in Sweden from 13 to 23 and blames all others for every woe in his life.

What blows my mind is that he just doesn't "get" open society. Like he seems to be getting crushed mentally from the idea that anyone thinks different than him.

But again, here he is locked into this "identity" of who he is holding onto it to the point of violent threats. I wonder what Sweden does for a new 13 year old like him? Does he get put in public schools? Does he get put in immigrant neighborhoods with only other immigrant schools?
I dunno. But I'd guess that he is fairly isolated from the society in day to day to still be so parallel in his living, but not really integrated in thought, speech, or dress.



Because much of the society is hugely xenophobic and don't have any idea how to integrate anyone else.

You know who didn't ban immigration? The only hyperpower, the richest most powerful country to ever exist on the face of the earth.

There's lots good about Japan, but lets not prop up the policies born out of fear and viewing everyone including Americans, Europeans, and other Asians as second class humans.

While I can understand a country that doesn't know how to integrate someone not biting into that pie quickly (I don't think they should), Japan is a unique circumstance of exceptional xenophobia due to a long history of closed borders as the underlying cause.

I wa gunna write er something smart, ythrn i fotrhhry yhr krpboyst.f/

 

[Deleted member 1]

I wa gunna write er something smart, ythrn i fotrhhry yhr krpboyst.f/

Your effort is appreciated

 

[Disciplined Galt]

And yo @Splinty this is not rational at all, but all of us "natives" will always have an urge to stop "conquerors"

 

[Deleted member 1]

And yo @Splinty this is not rational at all, but all of us "natives" will always have an urge to stop "conquerors"

Of course.
Its the core thought of the old "native" movement in the USA.

Used to be white English dudes claiming they were the most authentic Americans. This was to demean the Irish invasion who were seen as "white niggers". Luckily for them the native Americans were just 'savages' as to not disrupt the claim.

Tinges of this can be found in people like Trump. Hell, even integrated immigrants will sometimes want to close the door on people from their own original country once they've got a piece of the pie.

The argument by the guy above about wanting to smoke but Alcohol is legal is a call back to the the American policies that banned marijuana. One hundred years ago, marijuana was the preferred drug of Mexicans ranching down in the south. Have a little smoke while working the cows. Well lets ban that drug those colores like so much, or they'll get high and rape our fine white women! But alcohol and wine can stay put.


Hence the only fix is to allow the immigration you can handle. And handle has to look like absorb their powers like the borg Or at least co-opt all of their food and culture into a neat fusion.

 

[Disciplined Galt]

Of course.
Its the core thought of the old "native" movement in the USA.

Used to be white English dudes claiming they were the most authentic Americans. This was to demean the Irish invasion who were seen as "white niggers". Luckily for them the native Americans were just 'savages' as to not disrupt the claim.

Tinges of this can be found in people like Trump. Hell, even integrated immigrants will sometimes want to close the door on people from their own original country once they've got a piece of the pie.

The argument by the guy above about wanting to smoke but Alcohol is legal is a call back to the the American policies that banned marijuana. One hundred years ago, marijuana was the preferred drug of Mexicans ranching down in the south. Have a little smoke while working the cows. Well lets ban that drug those colores like so much, or they'll get high and rape our fine white women! But alcohol and wine can stay put.


Hence the only fix is to allow the immigration you can handle. And handle has to look like absorb their powers like the borg Or at least co-opt all of their food and culture into a neat fusion.

I kind of understand why we got off on the wr, You're all right Splinty.

 

[Yossarian]

I don't think anyone has such a duty.

Every group of people has oppressed other groups of people at one point or another. I'm of western European descent. Some 1 million + people were taken as slaves to Tripoli and other cities during the barbary era. Doesn't mean I have a right to immigrate to Lybia.

Good observation.

Historical context often gets ignored when we look back, blaming who did what. The long history of human conflict is much too complex to say "but the Europeans did this" or "the Africans took that". Looking back in history and seeing that most atrocities were mere responses to earlier atrocities while it all began somewhere in a time of barbaric ignorance would aid in one's conception regarding multi-culturalism, immigration, etc, in todays world.

What about unequal living standards? Well, that plays a role as well but mostly because different cultures have different living standards and that clashes. You can't just pin it on "being poor". It has to do with sense of belonging, ownership, cultural norms and values. I would say that being poor in your own culture or country is a different experience than being poor in another country. Resentment towards other cultures can be more easily built, they can be more easily blamed for the lack of recources one endures in this different country. It takes generations to smoothen things out.

Taking on refugees or large groups of migrants will start the process anew, not without conflict, and not without vicitms. If a country such as Japan declines for such an undertaking -regardless of their alledged dubious motivations- one could hardly argue against such a decision. Pragmatically it would be defendable.

 

[ThatOneDude]

The argument by the guy above about wanting to smoke but Alcohol is legal is a call back to the the American policies that banned marijuana. One hundred years ago, marijuana was the preferred drug of Mexicans ranching down in the south. Have a little smoke while working the cows. Well lets ban that drug those colores like so much, or they'll get high and rape our fine white women! But alcohol and wine can stay put.

That's actually not why it was banned.

 

[Deleted member 1]

That's actually not why it was banned.

It absolutely was part of why it was targeted and regulated. Banning followed 100 years of slowly restricting further and further at the state levels for a huge variety of reasons.

The Mysterious History Of 'Marijuana'

"The political upheaval in Mexico that culminated in the Revolution of 1910 led to a wave of Mexican immigration to states throughout the American Southwest. The prejudices and fears that greeted these peasant immigrants also extended to their traditional means of intoxication: smoking marijuana. Police officers in Texas claimed that marijuana incited violent crimes, aroused a "lust for blood," and gave its users "superhuman strength." Rumors spread that Mexicans were distributing this "killer weed" to unsuspecting American schoolchildren. Sailors and West Indian immigrants brought the practice of smoking marijuana to port cities along the Gulf of Mexico. In New Orleans newspaper articles associated the drug with African-Americans, jazz musicians, prostitutes, and underworld whites. "The Marijuana Menace," as sketched by anti-drug campaigners, was personified by inferior races and social deviants."

Sure, overselling the dreaded effects, the fact that it wasn't being well taxed and profited from, it wasn't mainstream, etc all played a part.

But the people largely smoking were brown hindus, mexicans, and eventually notable black muscians.
When the law was enacted, it echoed the EXACT sentiments of the guy int he video above. "You make our drug illegal, but allow the state sponsored drug"

 

[ThatOneDude]

It absolutely was part of why it was targeted and regulated. Banning followed 100 years of slowly restricting further and further at the state levels for a huge variety of reasons.

The Mysterious History Of 'Marijuana'



Sure, overselling the dreaded effects, the fact that it wasn't being well taxed and profited from, it wasn't mainstream, etc all played a part.

But the people largely smoking were brown hindus, mexicans, and eventually notable black muscians.
When the law was enacted, it echoed the EXACT sentiments of the guy int he video above. "You make our drug illegal, but allow the state sponsored drug"

The actual root cause was William Randolph Hearst, and had nothing to do with what you said, that's just the propaganda they used.

 

[Disciplined Galt]

America, Egyptian and American cotton industry is the root course. Follow the money!