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KWingJitsu

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Nov 15, 2015
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Dr. Prosper Meniere

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What authority would Kushner have over the Saudi government?
It's just a rumor and deserves no attention. It was published in the gossip column of a right-wing shitrag.

But what about the rumor is difficult to understand? I shouldn't have to explain this to a grown man, but I pity you so I will. Why would Kushner need to have any 'authority over' the Saudi government? Kushner is a senior advisor and the son-in-law of the President - he has great formal and informal authority within the Trump administration.

The implication of the rumor is not that Kushner ordered the murder, just that he provided assurances that Trump wouldn't skullfuck them if they did. And seeing as Trump didn't, then the Saudis would have been correct in accepting Kushner as having the authority to speak on behalf of his dad-in-law and eskimo brother.
 

ConorMcGregorsBeard

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Jul 22, 2015
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It's just a rumor and deserves no attention. It was published in the gossip column of a right-wing shitrag.

But what about the rumor is difficult to understand? I shouldn't have to explain this to a grown man, but I pity you so I will. Why would Kushner need to have any 'authority over' the Saudi government? Kushner is a senior advisor and the son-in-law of the President - he has great formal and informal authority within the Trump administration.

The implication of the rumor is not that Kushner ordered the murder, just that he provided assurances that Trump wouldn't skullfuck them if they did. And seeing as Trump didn't, then the Saudis would have been correct in accepting Kushner as having the authority to speak on behalf of his dad-in-law and eskimo brother.
Do you really think that if Kushner had said not to do it they'd have listened to him? You cant actually be that delusional.
 

Dr. Prosper Meniere

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Do you really think that if Kushner had said not to do it they'd have listened to him? You cant actually be that delusional.
I will try to explain this to you very carefully and only because I see it as a challenge to see if I can fix a malfunctioning brain. At no point does this rumor entail that Jared Kushner suddenly had the 'authority' to tell Saudi Arabia what to do or not do. Rather, the rumor entails that Saudi Arabia recognized the theoretical authority of Kushner's father-in-law to get the US government to do all kinds of shit to Saudi Arabia if Saudi Arabia did something to piss said father-in-law off. Like, for example, killing a US resident journalist of a prominent newspaper, which could potentially set off a massive shitstorm that severely damages the Kingdom's image and ability to conduct diplomacy with countries in the world, in turn putting political pressure on said father-in-law to retaliate for domestic political reasons.

Had Kushner told them 'we don't want you to fuck with that journalist' then Saudi Arabia of course could have ignored Kushner, but they would be doing so under the assumption that they were defying Trump - not Kushner - and open to all kinds of potential retaliation. You see, there are things called ambassadors, envoys, advisers that countries have through which diplomacy between countries is often conducted. They are intermediaries, kind of like messengers, in very simplistic terms, if that word is a bit too difficult. They are expected to convey the official position of their countries leadership. It is why when there is a diplomatic crisis between two countries, usually the first thing that happens is each ambassador gets summoned.

And where your failure to understand these simple concepts gets even more ridiculous is that the murder was a massive fuck up that did cause huge problems for Saudi Arabia. And that's without Trump caving to pressure to retaliate, which could have easily happened. It's not at all implausible that the Saudis were less retarded than their subsequent actions made them look and were legitimately worried about the potential fallout if they didn't talk to the Americans first.
 

ConorMcGregorsBeard

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I will try to explain this to you very carefully and only because I see it as a challenge to see if I can fix a malfunctioning brain. At no point does this rumor entail that Jared Kushner suddenly had the 'authority' to tell Saudi Arabia what to do or not do. Rather, the rumor entails that Saudi Arabia recognized the theoretical authority of Kushner's father-in-law to get the US government to do all kinds of shit to Saudi Arabia if Saudi Arabia did something to piss said father-in-law off. Like, for example, killing a US resident journalist of a prominent newspaper, which could potentially set off a massive shitstorm that severely damages the Kingdom's image and ability to conduct diplomacy with countries in the world, in turn putting political pressure on said father-in-law to retaliate for domestic political reasons.

Had Kushner told them 'we don't want you to fuck with that journalist' then Saudi Arabia of course could have ignored Kushner, but they would be doing so under the assumption that they were defying Trump - not Kushner - and open to all kinds of potential retaliation. You see, there are things called ambassadors, envoys, advisers that countries have through which diplomacy between countries is often conducted. They are intermediaries, kind of like messengers, in very simplistic terms, if that word is a bit too difficult. They are expected to convey the official position of their countries leadership. It is why when there is a diplomatic crisis between two countries, usually the first thing that happens is each ambassador gets summoned.

And where your failure to understand these simple concepts gets even more ridiculous is that the murder was a massive fuck up that did cause huge problems for Saudi Arabia. And that's without Trump caving to pressure to retaliate, which could have easily happened. It's not at all implausible that the Saudis were less retarded than their subsequent actions made them look and were legitimately worried about the potential fallout if they didn't talk to the Americans first.
What was the fallout to Saudi Arabia again? Oh, yeah everyone stopped buying their oil and selling them weapons to commit a genocide. Oh, wait. None of that happened.

Admittedly I always do enjoy your posts, particularly the longer ones because I know you're going to use a bunch of insults to try to detract from not having any idea what you're talking about. You should consider a career in political debates.