General Trump orders Boeing planes to be grounded

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  1. Hauler

    Hauler Unknown Member

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    Boeing 737 MAX planes have been grounded. "Those planes are grounded effective immediately," Trump told reporters at the White House. "The safety of the American people, of all people, is our paramount concern."

    157 people were killed after an Ethiopian Airlines plane crashed on Sunday. Last October, the same model of plane crashed over the Java Sea, killing 189 people.

    Canada, India, China and all of Europe had already grounded the planes until the flight recorders can be analyzed. In all, 50 countries have grounded or banned the planes from their airspace.

    After Trump's announcement, airlines throughout America were in scramble mode to find substitute planes to handle flights that were already booked. American Airlines alone has 24 of the Boeing MAX series planes in use.

    According to Boeing's website, the 737 MAX is the fastest-selling airplane in Boeing history with about 5,000 orders from 100 different customers worldwide

    President Donald Trump issues order to ground Boeing 737 Max 8 after crashes

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    The 737 MAX is the 4th generation of the Boeing 737.

    They have been active in test flights since 2016, and gained FAA certification on March 8, 2017. There are 5 variants: MAX 7, MAX 8, MAX 200, MAX 9 and MAX 10.

    The first public flight of the aircraft was by Malindo Air on May 6, 2017.

    Primary users:
    Southwest Airlines
    American Airlines
    Air Canada
    WestJet

    Unit costs:
    MAX 7 $99.7 million
    MAX 8 $121.6 million
    MAX 200 $124.8 million
    MAX 9 $128.9 million
    MAX 10 $134.9 million

    Boeing 737 MAX - Wikipedia
     
  3. Willthiswork

    Willthiswork I'd rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.

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    Sounds like it's a training issue that's causing the problem. They changed some of the controls and the overrides but they may not have communicated that clearly to pilots on how to do it.
     
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  4. Hauler

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    I read that they planned for an autopilot software update after the October 2018 crash.

    The new planes were built with larger, fuel efficient engines that were mounted in a different area of the plane compared to previous generations. The new mounting position changed the planes center of gravity, potentially causing the planes nose to pull up and stall the engine during flight under autopilot.

    Another automated system - MCAS (Manuevering Characteristics Augmentation System) is meant to automatically correct the upward pull by pointing the nose downward.

    It's believed that the October crash was caused by the MCAS system erroneously kicking on from a faulty sensor, putting the plane into a nose dive.

    Boeing states that pilots have the ability to override the MCAS if necessary.
     
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    People were in the air when Trump grounded the planes. It's gotta be a weird feeling hearing that all 737 MAX planes have been grounded for safety reasons, and you have a safety manual for a 737 MAX manual right in front of you while you are 30,000 feet in the air.
     
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    Never_Rolled Large, very large Member

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    This sounds even worse. I read an article from an aviation professor who looked over the data and also the complaints from pilots on this plane. Pilots can submit anonymous complaints into a database. She looked at everything and said there isn't a pattern. She also said when the plane is on auto-pilot the MCAS is turned off. One pilot said some procedures aren't in the flight manual and the ones that are have been badly written. He was furious to say the least.
     
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    Hauler Unknown Member

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    Boeing stock
    NYSE: BA

    In October before the 1st crash they were at $392.30
    It eventually "bottomed out" at $294.16 at the end of 2018.

    It then shot up to a high of $446.01 in late Feb 2019.
    Currently trading at $376.50

    If it dips below $300, I'm in.

    2.2% Yield
     
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  8. conor mcgregor nut hugger

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    Terrible timing. Iirc 2018 was the first time in the past 5 or 6 years that Boeing had beaten Airbus in total orders placed.
     
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