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Current estimates have UFC 197, the April 23 show headlined by Jon Jones vs. Ovince Saint Preux, doing in the 375,000 to 450,000 buy range on pay-per-view, based on ranges from different industry sources.

UFC rarely releases pay-per-view numbers.

The number tells a few stories. The key is while Jones is probably still the UFC's third-biggest drawing card behind Conor McGregor and Ronda Rousey, he needs an opponent to do big numbers.

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StillReal

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IMO a huge part of that is because people like myself love to watch Nate.
It has more to do with people love to watch Conor, no matter who he fights. Nate Diaz vs Benson Henderson headlined a fox card and no one cared, no crazy ratings. PPV numbers don't go up significantly when Nate is on a card.

Nate is definitely more of a draw than OSP, I'm not denying that. Conor was coming off of a 13 second KO of arguably the most dominant champ in the UFC. He could have fought Mac Danzig and that card would have done 1.2+ plus.
 

Mishima Zaibatsu

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Not good, not bad.

Better than DC got against Gus though.

Jones will draw big numbers if and when he heads up too HW.

A fight with Gus could sell big too, as long as Jones owns DC and Gus comes back, beats a couple top 15 guys and looks good doing it.

Not sure if the fight with Johnson would sell big, but that's a fight that needs to happen as well.

After that, there's literally no one and I mean no one for Jones left to beat, unfortunately he has to start all over with his title defense streak, but if he can go to HW, beat a couple top 10 guys and take out Miocic, which, I believe he could do, then I think he becomes a bigger draw.
 

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It has more to do with people love to watch Conor, no matter who he fights. Nate Diaz vs Benson Henderson headlined a fox card and no one cared, no crazy ratings. PPV numbers don't go up significantly when Nate is on a card.

Nate is definitely more of a draw than OSP, I'm not denying that. Conor was coming off of a 13 second KO of arguably the most dominant champ in the UFC. He could have fought Mac Danzig and that card would have done 1.2+ plus.
In all fairness I think it was the combo of Conor fighting Nate (or like me, you can look at it like Nate fighting Conor ;)). Yes, Conor is a huge draw, but we also love Nate and everyone knew this would be the money fight, especially since his post fight speech in Orlando.
 

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And he is headlining UFC 200...

So much for breaking the record books.
I think the UFC may have been looking at UFC 200 like the law of diminishing returns. It's going to do 1+ million buys regardless of who headlines, because casuals will buy it because it's supposedly a "historical event". Hardcores will buy it because of it's depth. But at some point, there's likely a cap on how many people would buy it no matter what. So why not take the 1+ million buys on 200, without McGregor or Rousey. Then put McGregor on another card this year, and take 1+ million on that card. And hope Rousey returns this year, and take 1+ million there.
 

Mishima Zaibatsu

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Yup. And they expect Jones/DC 2 to make UFC 200 amazing. Nope. Not gonna happen.
You gotta admit, it's a big upgrade to have Jones vs DC II rather than McG vs Diaz II, might not sell as much, but it's going to be a better fight, so it's better for us hardcore fans.

Does it really matter if 200 breaks records? As long as it sells well enough. Jones vs DC I did sell 800K without much to back it up, but 200 has Aldo vs Edgar II, Cain vs Browne, Miesha vs Nunes and I'm hoping they add one more great fight.

I don't think the UFC is focused on breaking the 1.6 record with this card. As long as they sell 800-1.0, it's a successful night, which they can definitely do with this card.
 

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I think the UFC may have been looking at UFC 200 like the law of diminishing returns. It's going to do 1+ million buys regardless of who headlines, because casuals will buy it because it's supposedly a "historical event". Hardcores will buy it because of it's depth. But at some point, there's likely a cap on how many people would buy it no matter what. So why not take the 1+ million buys on 200, without McGregor or Rousey. Then put McGregor on another card this year, and take 1+ million on that card. And hope Rousey returns this year, and take 1+ million there.
They are doing the right thing for the UFC, no doubt about that.

I know the card is completely fucking stacked and I have no room to complain but, something just feels lacking about the card.

In all fairness I think it was the combo of Conor fighting Nate (or like me, you can look at it like Nate fighting Conor ;)). Yes, Conor is a huge draw, but we also love Nate and everyone knew this would be the money fight, especially since his post fight speech in Orlando.
I agree, I think the match up was absolute magic but I don't buy that casuals understood all of that and they're a majority of the buys.

I think roughly 200,000 buys came out of it being Nate instead of somebody else but to suggest that its anymore than that gets a little ridiculous (In my personal opinion.) Where are all these Diaz fans when he isn't fighting Conor?
 

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You gotta admit, it's a big upgrade to have Jones vs DC II rather than McG vs Diaz II, might not sell as much, but it's going to be a better fight, so it's better for us hardcore fans.

Does it really matter if 200 breaks records? As long as it sells well enough. Jones vs DC I did sell 800K without much to back it up, but 200 has Aldo vs Edgar II, Cain vs Browne, Miesha vs Nunes and I'm hoping they add one more great fight.

I don't think the UFC is focused on breaking the 1.6 record with this card. As long as they sell 800-1.0, it's a successful night, which they can definitely do with this card.
I dunno man they had UFC 100 do 1.6 million, UFC 200 is supposed to be a similar show and it probably won't do half the business.

Me personally, I'd rather watch McGregor/Diaz any day. DC/Jones wasn't a close fight, it didn't leave anyone wanting to see a rematch. Cormier managed to win a round but he really had nothing for Jones and got handled. And it wasn't even a particularly exciting fight - a lot of dancing, a lot of holding against the cage.

McGregor/Diaz was nonstop fireworks, and it'll be interesting to see if McGregor can avenge the loss.
 
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Nate was even shorter notice and him & Conor did like 1.4 million.
Just sayin!
It would have done a million with RDA anyway, but yes that's a rare example where a short-notice replacement generates more hype than the original bout.
 

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I dunno man they had UFC 100 do 1.6 million, UFC 200 is supposed to be a similar show and it probably won't do half the business.

Me personally, I'd rather watch McGregor/Diaz any day. DC/Jones wasn't a close fight, it didn't leave anyone wanting to see a rematch. Cormier managed to win a round but he really had nothing for Jones and got handled. And it wasn't even a particularly exciting fight - a lot of dancing, a lot of holding against the cage.

McGregor/Diaz was nonstop fireworks, and it'll be interesting to see if McGregor can avenge the loss.
Meltzers estimates for UFC 100 have been revised down since Dana White said that UFC 196 was their biggest selling ppv. Believed to have sold around 1.3mil. Meltzer always gets an estimate range, and for 100 he predicted on the high end, but really it was on the low end.
 

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Meltzers estimates for UFC 100 have been revised down since Dana White said that UFC 196 was their biggest selling ppv. Believed to have sold around 1.3mil. Meltzer always gets an estimate range, and for 100 he predicted on the high end, but really it was on the low end.
Ah I see. It's a shame the UFC doesn't have to release their numbers like boxing.
 

Mishima Zaibatsu

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I dunno man they had UFC 100 do 1.6 million, UFC 200 is supposed to be a similar show and it probably won't do half the business.

Me personally, I'd rather watch McGregor/Diaz any day. DC/Jones wasn't a close fight, it didn't leave anyone wanting to see a rematch. Cormier managed to win a round but he really had nothing for Jones and got handled. And it wasn't even a particularly exciting fight - a lot of dancing, a lot of holding against the cage.

McGregor/Diaz was nonstop fireworks, and it'll be interesting to see if McGregor can avenge the loss.
Yeah, but does that really matter if it does the same business?

As long as it still sells, which it will. I care about PPV numbers too, but not when it gets in the way of the sport getting anywhere.

Jones/DC II is a more important fight for the sport imo.

I enjoyed Jones/DC, thought it was a good fight as well, so I guess we won't see eye to eye there either.

At the end of the day it's a more important fight, regardless if it sells as much.

I'm a little biased though, I'm a Jones fan and while I don't exactly dislike watching Conor fight, I'd rather watch Jones take his belt back than have McGregor fight his second meaningless fight in a row.
 

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You gotta admit, it's a big upgrade to have Jones vs DC II rather than McG vs Diaz II, might not sell as much, but it's going to be a better fight, so it's better for us hardcore fans.
Jones vs DC is not an upgrade. Compare both of the original fights. Jones vs DC was a snoozefest compared to Conor vs Nate. Like not even in the same ballpark in terms of entertainment value. Jones vs Gus, I'd give you, but your comment reeks of either McGregor hate or Bones-colored glasses.
 

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I dunno man they had UFC 100 do 1.6 million, UFC 200 is supposed to be a similar show and it probably won't do half the business.

Me personally, I'd rather watch McGregor/Diaz any day. DC/Jones wasn't a close fight, it didn't leave anyone wanting to see a rematch. Cormier managed to win a round but he really had nothing for Jones and got handled. And it wasn't even a particularly exciting fight - a lot of dancing, a lot of holding against the cage.

McGregor/Diaz was nonstop fireworks, and it'll be interesting to see if McGregor can avenge the loss.
Dc Jones was way closer then diaz mcg
 

Mishima Zaibatsu

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Jones vs DC is not an upgrade. Compare both of the original fights. Jones vs DC was a snoozefest compared to Conor vs Nate. Like not even in the same ballpark in terms of entertainment value. Jones vs Gus, I'd give you, but your comment reeks of either McGregor hate or Bones-colored glasses.
I'm not a Conor hater, I am a Jones fan, but to me a fight like McG vs Diaz II didn't warrant a main even slot at UFC 200. A non-title fight with the 145 lbs champion fighting at WW against a LW?

Save that fight for another event if you have to make it, but a non title fight that basically means nothing in a weight class that neither fighter competes in was not a good main event for UFC 200 imo, it just didn't make any sense too me, it was only being made to give McG a chance to redeem his embarrassing loss.

Either way, we won't be getting that fight for awhile yet.

And I actually thought Jones vs DC I was a good fight. So I'm looking forward too that fight more. Plus, the P4P great, getting a crack at the belt he never lost against his nemesis seems like a more interesting fight than a fight for no belt that means nothing in the grand scheme of the sport.
 

StillReal

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Dc Jones was way closer then diaz mcg
How can a fight that ended in TKO/submission be a closer fight than one that went to a decision? (A decision that could have easily been 48-47, might I add.)

(Edit: quoted the wrong person kinda, my bad.)