USADA conducted 353 tests in 2015

[Wild]

With 2015 in the rear-view mirror, we now have a full understanding of the amount of testing done by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency as part of the UFC’s new drug testing program.

A total of 353 tests were conducted by USADA between the July 1, 2015 start date and the end of the year. A total of 156 athletes were tested during this time.

The most tested athletes in 2015:

• Jose Aldo – 8
• Conor McGregor – 8
• Ronda Rousey – 8
• Antonio Silva – 7
• Dan Henderson – 7
• Holly Holm – 7
• Vitor Belfort – 6
• Rafael dos Anjos – 6
• Luke Rockhold – 6
• Yoel Romero – 6

LINK: USADA conducted 353 tests in 2015 as part of new UFC drug testing program

 

[Greek777]

I know they only had about a half of a year, but they promied 1,375 tests in 2015 and 2750 this year.

 

[Sweets]

That's not a bad start but they need to triple that this year.

 

[Greek777]

More than triple... They promised nearly 3,000 in a year period - or 5 tests per fighter on the roster

Seems like only the big names are getting tested frequently. That's fucked. They either should go all in on this, like they said, or not do it at all. What's the point in doing this to only SOME people? So guys on the undercard can get their brains bashed in by steroid freaks who are MAYBE tested once in an entire year?

 

[teamquestnorth]

353 tests too many

 

[Joemacka]

353 tests too many

 

[Sweets]

More than triple... They promised nearly 3,000 in a year period - or 5 tests per fighter on the roster

Seems like only the big names are getting tested frequently. That's fucked. They either should go all in on this, like they said, or not do it at all. What's the point in doing this to only SOME people? So guys on the undercard can get their brains bashed in by steroid freaks who are MAYBE tested once in an entire year?

Your'e right of course, but every little helps.

 

[Greek777]

I just think the best possible thing is a level playing field

Either let everyone juice as much as they want, like PRIDE, or test EVERYBODY equally. It'd be weird if you get fights where one guy has been tested 6 times ,and is certainly clean, and the other guy had maybe 1 out of comp test like 7 months beforehand and ends up that he is on the juice.

I know it's next to impossible but if they live up to their promise, then it's not. Do they have the man power to pull off nearly 3000 tests in 365 days, across 500+ fighters, though?

If not, just seems odd they'd issue that mission statement when this all started.

 

[Narcosynthesis]

Where's Cyborg on the list?

 

[Ted Williams' head]

Meh they're spending millions of dollars to have people fly around the globe and harass the athletes... how bout you pump that money back to the fighters instead so they don't have to work a second job to afford to fight in the "mecca of mma" lol smh

 

[Ted Williams' head]

Either let everyone juice as much as they want, like PRIDE, or test EVERYBODY equally.

I agree and TBH I favour the first option. Unfortunately PEDs have gotten a bad rap, we have this retarded thought that it's for cowards and people who want an "easy way" (lol), but no it's just medical science. It's hilarious that some 45 year old banker can go to a doctor when he's feeling more tired than normal and his dick isn't getting hard anymore, and they'll give him TRT, and that's cool. But and athlete who's destroying their body day in day out trying to get in ungodly shape to combat another trained killer injecting testosterone so they can get through their days? No way, that's criminal! lol

Pride operated for 10 years without drug testing, all those motherfuckers were juiced to the gills, and nobody was getting killed or seriously hurt. Same thing with the UFC up until USADA, they had testing but people were cheating those tests left right and center.

Let athletes avail of the latest sports science. Everyone wins and the playing field is even.

 

[bully4me]

I agree and TBH I favour the first option. Unfortunately PEDs have gotten a bad rap, we have this retarded thought that it's for cowards and people who want an "easy way" (lol), but no it's just medical science. It's hilarious that some 45 year old banker can go to a doctor when he's feeling more tired than normal and his dick isn't getting hard anymore, and they'll give him TRT, and that's cool. But and athlete who's destroying their body day in day out trying to get in ungodly shape to combat another trained killer injecting testosterone so they can get through their days? No way, that's criminal! lol

Pride operated for 10 years without drug testing, all those motherfuckers were juiced to the gills, and nobody was getting killed or seriously hurt. Same thing with the UFC up until USADA, they had testing but people were cheating those tests left right and center.

Let athletes avail of the latest sports science. Everyone wins and the playing field is even.

Difference is the USA is home of the Lawsuite, IF fighters did end up having issues (physical or mental) afterwards from using PEDs they could and would sue the promotion(s) they fought for. Most likely win too. No matter what you may think, PED's also alter the brain, too much and some guy has ROID RAGE, kills his wife and kids, next thing there would be a lawsuite. You don't think fighters like Wanderlai, Jason Miller, and War Machine may not be suffering from some form of post PED use? It's bad enough with the risk of Brain Trauma in this sport. Add more power, endurance and in some cases rage by every fighter (if PEDs were used by all to even out the playing field) there would be serious ramifications to the fighters in the long run.

There is a difference in using steroids to help heal injuries faster to get an athlete back on their feet and training again. Problem is usage does'nt stop there. Every fighter want's to be on top, get the "edge" over the next guy. If you really believe the fighters in Pride as you say "that were juiced to the gills" won't suffer later on in life you're in denial. Yes I absolutely agree the UFC has to improve on the drug testing and are behind where they projected they would be. It's also like any other project objective a buisness forecasts, in reality it takes longer and theres more to it that expected. My guess is it will take at least three to four years to get everything sorted. As it IS a massive project that has to be implemented and run globally, that is not an easy task. The costs will be enormous but for the fighters long term safety and health it is much better to put those costs where they are. There's enough money being made to pay the fighters better from elsewhere else in the coffers. The UFC may be behind, the good part is they haven't scrapped it and are aking it seriously.

 

[Ted Williams' head]

Difference is the USA is home of the Lawsuite, IF fighters did end up having issues (physical or mental) afterwards from using PEDs they could and would sue the promotion(s) they fought for. Most likely win too. No matter what you may think, PED's also alter the brain, too much and some guy has ROID RAGE, kills his wife and kids, next thing there would be a lawsuite. You don't think fighters like Wanderlai, Jason Miller, and War Machine may not be suffering from some form of post PED use? It's bad enough with the risk of Brain Trauma in this sport. Add more power, endurance and in some cases rage by every fighter (if PEDs were used by all to even out the playing field) there would be serious ramifications to the fighters in the long run.

There is a difference in using steroids to help heal injuries faster to get an athlete back on their feet and training again. Problem is usage does'nt stop there. Every fighter want's to be on top, get the "edge" over the next guy. If you really believe the fighters in Pride as you say "that were juiced to the gills" won't suffer later on in life you're in denial. Yes I absolutely agree the UFC has to improve on the drug testing and are behind where they projected they would be. It's also like any other project objective a buisness forecasts, in reality it takes longer and theres more to it that expected. My guess is it will take at least three to four years to get everything sorted. As it IS a massive project that has to be implemented and run globally, that is not an easy task. The costs will be enormous but for the fighters long term safety and health it is much better to put those costs where they are. There's enough money being made to pay the fighters better from elsewhere else in the coffers. The UFC may be behind, the good part is they haven't scrapped it and are aking it seriously.

As far as the roidrage point goes... every day people get drunk and commit all sorts of crimes, but the brewing companies aren't responsible. You don't sue Budweiser if a drunk guy read ends you, so I don't see why the PED companies or MMA promotion would be responsible for that. As far as long term effects from PEDs... there are many different PEDs so to say all of them have negative long term effects is throwing the same blanket over a ton of different things, which is not really accurate. But I imagine if specific drugs cause negative effects that weren't outlined outright to the athlete, that would be between the athlete and the drug company and would have nothing to do with the promotion. Either way, I don't think it's any of our business to act as "nanny" to the fighters. If they want to get fat between fights, that's their choice. If they want to smoke cigarettes and binge drink alcohol, that's their choice. And if they want to use substances that boost their performance, I think that should be their choice.

As far as PED users causing extreme damage to their opponents... I'm not convinced that it's significantly more damage. Bonnar was juiced to the gills against Anderson Silva. Silva stood on the cage and let Bonnar punch him, and laughed off the strikes. Boxing has been around forever, long before steroids were a thing, and guys were still ending up with pugilistic dementia.

 

[Demonic Cruz]

Lmao@ people still saying 'Come on man just let them all juice' after all the contrasting performances from guys like Bigfoot, Vitor, JDS, Reem, Aldo, ect, ect. after the hard ban on PEDs n IV hydration. Jesus they're doing a much better job showing us the guys who are worth our guap and the ones who are no more tougher than the Walmart greeter in you're bumfuck town back home. You're still towing this garbage rhetoric about let em juice bro?

 

[teamquestnorth]

Lmao@ people still saying 'Come on man just let them all juice' after all the contrasting performances from guys like Bigfoot, Vitor, JDS, Reem, Aldo, ect, ect. after the hard ban on PEDs n IV hydration. Jesus they're doing a much better job showing us the guys who are worth our guap and the ones who are no more tougher than the Walmart greeter in you're bumfuck town back home. You're still towing this garbage rhetoric about let em juice bro?

Yeah let them juice. Fights were a lot more exciting back then. Shits getting lame now that USADA started up

 

[Wild]

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[Greek777]

Lmao@ people still saying 'Come on man just let them all juice' after all the contrasting performances from guys like Bigfoot, Vitor, JDS, Reem, Aldo, ect, ect. after the hard ban on PEDs n IV hydration. Jesus they're doing a much better job showing us the guys who are worth our guap and the ones who are no more tougher than the Walmart greeter in you're bumfuck town back home. You're still towing this garbage rhetoric about let em juice bro?

I read this post like four times and I still can't exactly comprehend what you are saying in the latter half, lol.

 

[Wild]

I read this post like four times and I still can't exactly comprehend what you are saying in the latter half, lol.

He's saying the USADA testing and TRT ban has exposed guys that were performing beyond their normal capabilities, because of PEDs. And those that were effected by it, are rising to the top.

 

[bully4me]

As far as the roidrage point goes... every day people get drunk and commit all sorts of crimes, but the brewing companies aren't responsible. You don't sue Budweiser if a drunk guy read ends you, so I don't see why the PED companies or MMA promotion would be responsible for that. As far as long term effects from PEDs... there are many different PEDs so to say all of them have negative long term effects is throwing the same blanket over a ton of different things, which is not really accurate. But I imagine if specific drugs cause negative effects that weren't outlined outright to the athlete, that would be between the athlete and the drug company and would have nothing to do with the promotion. Either way, I don't think it's any of our business to act as "nanny" to the fighters. If they want to get fat between fights, that's their choice. If they want to smoke cigarettes and binge drink alcohol, that's their choice. And if they want to use substances that boost their performance, I think that should be their choice.

As far as PED users causing extreme damage to their opponents... I'm not convinced that it's significantly more damage. Bonnar was juiced to the gills against Anderson Silva. Silva stood on the cage and let Bonnar punch him, and laughed off the strikes. Boxing has been around forever, long before steroids were a thing, and guys were still ending up with pugilistic dementia.

I'm not saying that the manufacturers of PED's would get sued. AM saying if years down the road MMA promotions let fighters knowing use PED's and some known PED's are proven to be dangerous the promotions would for sure get sued. That happens all the time. Why do you think the UFC is investing so much money now into brain trauma research? It's not fo kicks, it's because a pro-active stance and possible prevention will protect them in the future.

 

[Zeph]

As far as the roidrage point goes... every day people get drunk and commit all sorts of crimes, but the brewing companies aren't responsible. You don't sue Budweiser if a drunk guy read ends you, so I don't see why the PED companies or MMA promotion would be responsible for that. As far as long term effects from PEDs... there are many different PEDs so to say all of them have negative long term effects is throwing the same blanket over a ton of different things, which is not really accurate. But I imagine if specific drugs cause negative effects that weren't outlined outright to the athlete, that would be between the athlete and the drug company and would have nothing to do with the promotion. Either way, I don't think it's any of our business to act as "nanny" to the fighters. If they want to get fat between fights, that's their choice. If they want to smoke cigarettes and binge drink alcohol, that's their choice. And if they want to use substances that boost their performance, I think that should be their choice.

As far as PED users causing extreme damage to their opponents... I'm not convinced that it's significantly more damage. Bonnar was juiced to the gills against Anderson Silva. Silva stood on the cage and let Bonnar punch him, and laughed off the strikes. Boxing has been around forever, long before steroids were a thing, and guys were still ending up with pugilistic dementia.

You don't sign a contract with Budweiser to provide you with certain conditions upon how you drink your beer. You're just buying the beer and then what happens after that is up to you. However, fighters are signing a contract with the UFC to provide certain conditions for their fight.

 

[Ted Williams' head]

You don't sign a contract with Budweiser to provide you with certain conditions upon how you drink your beer. You're just buying the beer and then what happens after that is up to you. However, fighters are signing a contract with the UFC to provide certain conditions for their fight.

I don't see how that applies to PEDs though. There are a ton of other legal supplements that help one body get strong and fit to do harm to another body, why would PED's legally be any different than those ones?

I know most won't agree with me, it's cool, people are stuck in that stigma of the evil steroid users and heroes who do it all naturally, maaaan. I get it. Personally, I'd rather have the athletes be able to use the best possible stuff available to heal their bodies, improve performance and have longer careers, but if the dork squad wants to believe that PEDs are evil, that's cool.

And all the athletes are doing is trying to find ways to achieve the same thing PEDs achieve. But because one way is easier than the other, it's banned. smh. It's like putting a dude in the room with a smoking hot naked chick, and saying "listen, you can do anything you want with her... just don't touch her ass or tits, and don't put your dick in her mouth, vag or butt. But hey, anything else is fine, if you want to fuck her armpit go ahead." Doesn't make a lick of sense to me but whatever.

Oh and of course the MONEY it wastes. I'd love to get the total costs of doing those 353 tests, which I'm sure is in the MILLIONS of dollars. More money spent on harassing athletes instead of just giving it to them.

 

[Zeph]

I don't see how that applies to PEDs though. There are a ton of other legal supplements that help one body get strong and fit to do harm to another body, why would PED's legally be any different than those ones?

I know most won't agree with me, it's cool, people are stuck in that stigma of the evil steroid users and heroes who do it all naturally, maaaan. I get it. Personally, I'd rather have the athletes be able to use the best possible stuff available to heal their bodies, improve performance and have longer careers, but if the dork squad wants to believe that PEDs are evil, that's cool.

And all the athletes are doing is trying to find ways to achieve the same thing PEDs achieve. But because one way is easier than the other, it's banned. smh. It's like putting a dude in the room with a smoking hot naked chick, and saying "listen, you can do anything you want with her... just don't touch her ass or tits, and don't put your dick in her mouth, vag or butt. But hey, anything else is fine, if you want to fuck her armpit go ahead." Doesn't make a lick of sense to me but whatever.

Oh and of course the MONEY it wastes. I'd love to get the total costs of doing those 353 tests, which I'm sure is in the MILLIONS of dollars. More money spent on harassing athletes instead of just giving it to them.

Because that's the reality now. Steroids aren't allowed - rightfully so in my opinion, but that is a different argument - and fighters sign on under the auspices of them being illegal. If the UFC turns a blind eye and can be proven to have turned a blind eye, then it starts getting into dangerous territory should anyone be injured against that specific fighter. I think you are confusing the reality of the situation with how you want it to be.

If we get into the argument of if PED's should be illegal from competition in the first place I believe it then becomes a question of who can pay for the best programs, everyone feels like they have to do it to get ahead, and they will abuse it and cause life threatening side effects, specifically to the heart. Also if PEDs are allowed are gene therapies in the future going to be allowed? How about surgical implants to strengthen bones in the knuckles or to increase punching power? Where is the line drawn after PEDs are legal because surely some line has to be drawn?

 

[Ted Williams' head]

I think you are confusing the reality of the situation with how you want it to be.

I'm not confusing the situation, I know there's absolutely no chance that they legalize the use of "PEDs". But if "PEDs" were made legal by the commission (and that's what I'm talking about, not the UFC turning a blind eye), I don't see what grounds a fighter would have to sue over an opponent using something that's legal.

And people always use the slippery slope arguments in these situations. Where do you draw the line? If you allow "PEDs", what's to stop a guy from implanting a steel plate in his leg to kick guys with? What's to stop a guy from bringing a gun into the octagon? I think there's a pretty clear line between boosting your testosterone levels and implanting a weapon under your skin lol, but that's just me.

Again, yes, this is my fantasy world, I know it's never going to happen. I just believe that pretty much every wins if it did happen. PEDs have been around in the big shows for over 20 years now at least. No one's been killed, no one's been crippled or seriously fucked. I don't buy PED's as this ultra weapon that's going to result in guys getting seriously hurt.

As far as PEDs coming down to who can afford the better program.... we're at that point now. Can we really say the guy who has to work a full time job isn't at a disadvantage to a guy who's rich and can just train full time? The rich guy can afford better nutrition, better supplements, and better training. Cody Pfister never had the same advantages that Sage Northcutt had.

 

[Zeph]

I'm not confusing the situation, I know there's absolutely no chance that they legalize the use of "PEDs". But if "PEDs" were made legal by the commission (and that's what I'm talking about, not the UFC turning a blind eye), I don't see what grounds a fighter would have to sue over an opponent using something that's legal.

And people always use the slippery slope arguments in these situations. Where do you draw the line? If you allow "PEDs", what's to stop a guy from implanting a steel plate in his leg to kick guys with? What's to stop a guy from bringing a gun into the octagon? I think there's a pretty clear line between boosting your testosterone levels and implanting a weapon under your skin lol, but that's just me.

Again, yes, this is my fantasy world, I know it's never going to happen. I just believe that pretty much every wins if it did happen. PEDs have been around in the big shows for over 20 years now at least. No one's been killed, no one's been crippled or seriously fucked. I don't buy PED's as this ultra weapon that's going to result in guys getting seriously hurt.

As far as PEDs coming down to who can afford the better program.... we're at that point now. Can we really say the guy who has to work a full time job isn't at a disadvantage to a guy who's rich and can just train full time? The rich guy can afford better nutrition, better supplements, and better training. Cody Pfister never had the same advantages that Sage Northcutt had.

Not being able to train full time is a problem with the UFC's pay structure, not really equivalent to people being able to afford $50-100k on PED's a fight. As far as there not being any health risk, I think you are deluding how far people will go if it is legal and there is no chance of being caught. Legalization of PEDs forces every athlete to use regardless of if they want to or not to be on a legal ground, much like weight cutting, the solution is to limit it as much as possible to provide as even a playing field as possible.

I'll concede the slippery slope argument isn't the best, especially with the exaggeration I used, but do you agree that some line must be drawn? Or are you an advocate of any drug which could be a benefit regardless of any health risks?

 

[Ryann Von Doom]

And didnt catch mirko's use. Lol this is a farce. Been saying it since the beginning, they know how to beat it and many are on the gear.