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USADA - "F*ck your IV bags"
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Read this@ErikMagraken , any thoughts on the legality here or any knowledge on this subject?
Plasticizers excreted in urine: indication of autologous blood transfusion in sports. - PubMed - NCBI
Good.. Fight in your natural weight class.
Good i'm not a fan of IV bags, like someone allready said if you need an IV back to get back to normal you probably pushed your body further than it should be.
CONCLUSION: Autologous transfusion with RBCs stored in plastic bags provokes an acute increase in the urinary concentrations of DEHP metabolites, allowing the detection of this doping malpractice. The window of detection is approximately 2 days. The method might be applied to urine samples submitted for antidoping testing.
So for 2 days after they can detect use of plastic IV bags. Can't people just use glass IV bottles?
I need some clarification from @Splinty on that because to me(not a doctor) it sounds like that's blood transfusions, not IV bags. Could the USADA think the fighters were using blood instead of saline?
The metabolites of the plasticizer di-(2-ethylhexyl)phthalate (DEHP)
Plasticizer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pvc pipes?
This is going to sound dumb as fuck. So the plastic tip of the iv's will cause levels of something in their blood to rise and be detectable?
Plasticizers increase the fluidity of the material, making it soft and pliable. However, it looks like they also release traces from the bag into the solution, which are detectable for 2 days after use in urine.
Hmmmm, so they put it in the saline solution or it leaches from the bag?
It leaches from the bags.
BMGS990010 - Empty Glass IV Bottle by B Braun Medical | Medline Industries, Inc.
Doesn't have a price listing, but you can order cases of 6 glass bottle IV containers.
Doesn't have a price listing, but you can order cases of 6 glass bottle IV containers.
Get rid of weight classes.
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Yes this is for blood transfusions, simple saline IVs used to rehydrate does not carry the traces. I am positive most are using Saline solution IVs
0.9% Sodium Chloride Injection, USP contains 9 g/L Sodium Chloride (sodium chloride (sodium chloride injection) injection) , USP (NaCl) with an osmolarity of 308 mOsmol/L (calc). It contains 154 mEq/L sodium and 154 mEq/L chloride.
The flexible container is made with non-latex plastic materials specially designed for a wide range of parenteral drugs including those requiring delivery in containers made of polyolefins or polypropylene. For example, the AVIVA container system is compatible with and appropriate for use in the admixture and administration of paclitaxel. In addition, the AVIVA container system is compatible with and appropriate for use in the admixture and administration of all drugs deemed compatible with existing polyvinyl chloride container systems. The solution contact materials do not contain PVC,DEHP, or other plasticizers.
Normal Saline (Sodium Chloride Injection) Drug Information: Description, User Reviews, Drug Side Effects, Interactions - Prescribing Information at RxList
I agree with the ban. Does it make fighting more dangerous? No, cutting a stupid amount of water makes it more dangerous.
I've suffered from bad weight cuts and not felt fully recovered going into the cage. Who's fault is that? If I was given 3 days to rehydrate, I would have felt fine. Should we move weigh ins to 3 days before because its "safer"? People will always push the limits. Give someone longer to rehydrate and you'll see more deaths cos people will cut 50lbs.
You know what isn't safe? Arturo Gatti nearly killing Joey Gamache by having a 15lb weight advantage on him. Fighters have to cut crazy amounts of weight just so that they aren't at a disadvantage. The whole culture is crazy.
I also compete in BJJ and I really like not having to cut weight. I can drop 20lbs and put most of it back on safely without an IV for a day before weigh in but it's a fucking hassle.
I've suffered from bad weight cuts and not felt fully recovered going into the cage. Who's fault is that? If I was given 3 days to rehydrate, I would have felt fine. Should we move weigh ins to 3 days before because its "safer"? People will always push the limits. Give someone longer to rehydrate and you'll see more deaths cos people will cut 50lbs.
You know what isn't safe? Arturo Gatti nearly killing Joey Gamache by having a 15lb weight advantage on him. Fighters have to cut crazy amounts of weight just so that they aren't at a disadvantage. The whole culture is crazy.
I also compete in BJJ and I really like not having to cut weight. I can drop 20lbs and put most of it back on safely without an IV for a day before weigh in but it's a fucking hassle.
The world of cycling had apparently already moved to this method. You are a fast study Zeph!
Thanks for sharing your experience and a different perspective
@Leigh. Certainly makes me rethink my stance on this topic.
Well, I can give you positives for a day before weigh in (not really for the IV). If my scales don't line up with official ones, I would much rather cut the extra pound or so the day before. Cutting extra weight on the day of the fight is a ball ache and potentially dangerous. However, most promotions now use calibrated scales or at least digital ones. I have see this issue come up when a promoter was using analogue bathroom scales and the needle was bouncing around.Thanks for sharing your experience and a different perspective
From a promoter's point of view, you have less chance of a fight falling through. If a fighter misses weight, he can still cut and make it. Weigh ins close to fight time don't allow for this. Just give a percentage of the purse, right? Not, when fighters are making £300. They could buy their way out of a weight cut for £50. Missing weight on smaller shows often means the fight doesn't happen.
A lot of fighters were/are cutting 30lbs using diuretics and an IV. Diuretics are obviously banned and I think banning the IV will prevent fighters from cutting so much weight.
Except they will just use glass bottles and it is undetectable. This ban stops nothing but the use of plastic bags, for the guys who are intelligent.
Right, I don't know how you enforce it but I think it's good that it's being addressed.
On another note, getting IVs isn't easy, at least in the UK. If you try to buy one online, you need to be a registered medical practitioner. Apparently.
IV's are great for hangovers on hot California mornings. Take it out of the fridge and hook it up and you'll feel great in 30 min.
You dont enforce it, in the US IVs are as common as a pack of gum. You cant buy them over the counter and need a MD script but theres always ways around that, we buy cases of Normal Saline 1000ML 500ML and 250ML. Its regulated by the State that you are in mostly.
How will USADA be able to test for this?
Oopsie. Didn't see this.