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The Pendulum

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Feels like an arbitrary number so he can claim superiority over everyone else.

Did he actually spend 20 hours watching that fight before making a presentation? Or did he just spend 20 hours on a presentation?
 

Saloth Sar

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Yeah, that's genuinely insane. Obsessive and pointless.

He's convinced himself that City Kickboxing is producing untouchable MMA striking Gods, when both of its champions lost according to media scores in their last fights. Neither hurt their opponent while getting hurt themselves. Both definitively lost under Pride scoring.

He rationalized the Adesanya-Romero fight by saying it wasn't close and that Adesanya had complete control (which is delusional). Faced with the inability to dismiss Max, his brain has had a meltdown and he's convinced himself that Max had to transcend time and space just to hang with Volk.

And I'm not even trying to shit on City Kickboxing. I am just telling this crazy person to calm down. Although it is funny.
 

THE GILF HUNTER

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I don’t recognize Luke so I don’t give a fucking shit what he says...kinda pissed I read any of it to be honest
 

kneeblock

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He rationalized the Adesanya-Romero fight by saying it wasn't close and that Adesanya had complete control (which is delusional).
Romero did less than nothing in that fight. It was not at all close except Israel missed several strikes he threw. Adesanya did have total control.
 

Saloth Sar

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Romero did less than nothing in that fight. It was not at all close except Israel missed several strikes he threw. Adesanya did have total control.
Said like someone who doesn't understand the scoring criteria - a common disability even among seasoned MMA fans. Damage is king, not 'control', mete.

Romero definitely won rounds 1 and 5. Round 2 was the swing round. Romero landed the only meaningful strikes in it.

The only reason Adesanya won the fight was because all 3 judges gave him round 5, which was a clear Romero round according to basically every other observer.
 

kneeblock

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Said like someone who doesn't understand the scoring criteria - a common disability even among seasoned MMA fans. Damage is king, not 'control', mete.

Romero definitely won rounds 1 and 5. Round 2 was the swing round. Romero landed the only meaningful strikes in it.

The only reason Adesanya won the fight was because all 3 judges gave him round 5, which was a clear Romero round according to basically every other observer.
Fair points, but you said:

He rationalized the Adesanya-Romero fight by saying it wasn't close and that Adesanya had complete control (which is delusional).
If that was the claim, little to dispute.
 

Saloth Sar

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Fair points, but you said:



If that was the claim, little to dispute.
By the original usage of 'control the fight' I meant Luke thought Adesanya dominated the rounds and that the scoring wasn't even close. I wasn't referring to Octagon control and who was 'dictating' the fight. I took it from your post that you were. But I could be mistaken.

Romero won the fight according to the scoring criteria - round 2 wasn't decisive but he still won it. He landed the more impactful strikes in 3/5 rounds. Adesanya is just lucky the criteria is rarely applied correctly and judges still score things they shouldn't.

Romero only has himself to blame though.
 

kneeblock

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By the original usage of 'control the fight' I meant Luke thought Adesanya dominated the rounds and that the scoring wasn't even close. I wasn't referring to Octagon control and who was 'dictating' the fight. I took it from your post that you were. But I could be mistaken.

Romero won the fight according to the scoring criteria - round 2 wasn't decisive but he still won it. He landed the more impactful strikes in 3/5 rounds. Adesanya is just lucky the criteria is rarely applied correctly and judges still score things they shouldn't.

Romero only has himself to blame though.
Did Luke say dominate or control or dictate?

In this thread I see him using none of those words, but only saying Adesanya was on offense for most of the fight and generally tried harder.

View: https://twitter.com/lthomasnews/status/1236826005072945152?s=20
 

Saloth Sar

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Did Luke say dominate or control or dictate?

In this thread I see him using none of those words, but only saying Adesanya was on offense for most of the fight and generally tried harder.

View: https://twitter.com/lthomasnews/status/1236826005072945152?s=20
No, I just clarified that Luke didn't say control or dictate. He just dismissed any possibility of Romero winning the decision. 'Dominated the rounds', as in Luke didn't see any way Romero even came close to a decision, not necessarily a dominant performance. He was saying it on his shows at the time.

The thread you are pulling up is Luke's tortured attempt to shield Israel from blame for the fight sucking, not to justify the judging. Which further shows you the slightly disturbing emotional investment the guy has in City Kickboxing for whatever bizarre reason.
 

The Pendulum

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Romero did less than nothing in that fight. It was not at all close except Israel missed several strikes he threw. Adesanya did have total control.
Disagreed with.

Why?

Israel fought at Romero's pace. Case closed.

One man fought like he always does, the other didn't engage.
 

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kneeblock

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Sighting and understand visual cues isn't your strong suit, is it?

It's all written, and shown. Very simple.

Israel almost tripped over running out of Romero's striking range. Rinse and repeat the whole fight.
See, it's analyses of fights like this that I've never understood. Let's take the fight completely out of the individuals involved and just take this argument at face value. Do championship caliber fighters with a reach advantage simply wade in against sluggers with a lot of power? Maybe they do occasionally at lightweight and below, but at Middleweight and up, it usually doesn't go well. Long, rangy fighters typically aren't big on getting hit and if they're also going up against an Olympic level wrestler, it's probable they don't want to get too far on the inside.

So now let's talk about the two guys in particular. Adesanya's style is typically about making his opponents miss and then making them pay with spectacular strikes. Against a guy with the quickness and power of Romero, this is a tough assignment because you don't want to screw up and get taken down even if you're confident you can avoid the strikes. Add in the fact that up until about 6 weeks out, it wasn't clear whether Adesanya's opponent would be Costa or Romero. Both guys are powerful, but that's about where the stylistic comparison ends. If you watched Romero's fights with Costa and Whittaker, even though they were exciting, he hung back a lot himself and let his opponents lead because he sets up his power off a counter and his speed is starting to diminish. In the fight with Adesanya, he was clearly hanging back and Adesanya was too, though Romero barely let any strikes go and Adesanya mostly missed. To say Israel didn't walk into his range is like saying Yoel didn't drop his hands, kneel down on the mat and pray to Jesus for a victory.

When I say Romero did nothing in that fight, I mean he accomplished nothing. Adesanya dictated the pace, the tempo and the distance. From an outside perspective, the fight sucked, but both guys strategy and attributes are to blame.
 

Saloth Sar

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See, it's analyses of fights like this that I've never understood. Let's take the fight completely out of the individuals involved and just take this argument at face value. Do championship caliber fighters with a reach advantage simply wade in against sluggers with a lot of power? Maybe they do occasionally at lightweight and below, but at Middleweight and up, it usually doesn't go well. Long, rangy fighters typically aren't big on getting hit and if they're also going up against an Olympic level wrestler, it's probable they don't want to get too far on the inside.

So now let's talk about the two guys in particular. Adesanya's style is typically about making his opponents miss and then making them pay with spectacular strikes. Against a guy with the quickness and power of Romero, this is a tough assignment because you don't want to screw up and get taken down even if you're confident you can avoid the strikes. Add in the fact that up until about 6 weeks out, it wasn't clear whether Adesanya's opponent would be Costa or Romero. Both guys are powerful, but that's about where the stylistic comparison ends. If you watched Romero's fights with Costa and Whittaker, even though they were exciting, he hung back a lot himself and let his opponents lead because he sets up his power off a counter and his speed is starting to diminish. In the fight with Adesanya, he was clearly hanging back and Adesanya was too, though Romero barely let any strikes go and Adesanya mostly missed. To say Israel didn't walk into his range is like saying Yoel didn't drop his hands, kneel down on the mat and pray to Jesus for a victory.

When I say Romero did nothing in that fight, I mean he accomplished nothing. Adesanya dictated the pace, the tempo and the distance. From an outside perspective, the fight sucked, but both guys strategy and attributes are to blame.


Romero always stands in the middle of the octagon and waves his arms around?