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I believe it's in the top 10 causes of death iirc
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No face no case
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Back in the top 3 when everyone realizes fauci said dont wear masks back in March
I hadn't even thought of that. Might be in the top spot by the time all this shakes out.
Just for the audience...
You are using a one off stat of medical errors that has been disproven and lumping it in with negligence
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I don’t know anyone that has died due to medical negligence and I know everyone!
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Leading causes of death, total population, by age group
Rank, number of deaths, percentage of deaths, and age-specific mortality rates for the leading causes of death, by age group and sex, 2000 to most recent year.
@ConorMcGregorsBeard I don’t see it on the list
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I think we should have a poll
To see if we, as a community, should hold you personally responsible for the hundreds of millions that have died from medical negligence.
Maybe a 1 day pinking and you can die for the sins of your comrades. Metaphorically speaking
Who exactly disproved the stat? Stats Canada seemed to think it was a legit stat for Canada, somehow I doubt things are that different in the U.S. of A. As for splitting hairs between "errors" and "negligence" how do you define them as different? Is this like when Ja Rule explained he didn't commit fraud just some false advertising?
StatsCan keeps the stat, they don't put it on their list for a reason that could probably be guessed.Leading causes of death, total population, by age group
Rank, number of deaths, percentage of deaths, and age-specific mortality rates for the leading causes of death, by age group and sex, 2000 to most recent year.www150.statcan.gc.ca
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I posted stats Canada’s top 10 causes of death I didn’t see medical Negligence
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I know of someone who died because he walked into the ER with chest pains. After sitting there for 3 hours, and the staff not telling him anything he figured "If it were a big deal I wouldn't still be sitting here." So he got in his car, drove home and died of a heart attack.
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I’m sorry to hear that bruv. Whenever I’m at the ER they treat anyone with chest pains first.
Damnit, I can't find the Statscan number anymore, but I can provide you with this:
Inside Canada's secret world of medical error: 'There is a lot of lying, there’s a lot of cover-up'
Patients who suffer from medical errors face 'rigged system,' critics say
Here's a brief overview of the major studies...
Are medical errors really the third most common cause of death in the U.S.? (2019 edition)
The claim that medical errors are the third leading cause of death in the US has always rested on very shaky evidence; yet it's become common wisdom that is cited as though everyone accepts it. But if
sciencebasedmedicine.org
Secondly, when discussing errors in the oft-cited Hopkins stat (that is the third leading cause of death news following the IOM numbers 20 years ago) the intent was to highlight SYSTEMIC errors that include fractured care. Someone gives a med. Someone else gives a med. Neither is aware of the other doctor. The patient doesn't tell either. Patient takes both meds and exacerbates their heart failure. They die. That's an error. That isn't negligence. It's a systemic problem. In the Hopkins study they were only looking at inpatient errors that could include medical reconciliation missing home meds or the patient providing old bottles because they don't know better, leading to a doctor not know what the patient was taking and a bad medication usage. That's not negligence. It is an error that should be prevented.
1> We don't have that many systemic errors (as the number you cite). But we do have a shit load that need to be fixed.
2> The vast majority of errors are due to things like the above because our healthcare system, especially around records sharing and communication with nursing is absolute garbage.
3> There is too much variation in the US system and this allows a swiss cheese model where these errors are produced at abnormally high rates because they are hard to spot without such consistency.
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The only source saying this stat is a non profit organization called the Canadian Patient Safety Institute, and I can’t find any of their actual stats. So not stats Canada.
Doc, you're completely dancing around the elephant in the room. @Bones Nose asked if you'd be charged for crim neg if you fucked up and a patient died as a result. The answer more often than not, is "No". Let's look at something top of mind for everyone. Fauci told American's not to wear masks. He later admitted to lying, and that American's should have been wearing them from the outset. You're now looking at over 100k deaths. He won't even get fired forget about being held criminally liable.Here's a brief overview of the major studies...
Are medical errors really the third most common cause of death in the U.S.? (2019 edition)
The claim that medical errors are the third leading cause of death in the US has always rested on very shaky evidence; yet it's become common wisdom that is cited as though everyone accepts it. But ifsciencebasedmedicine.org
Secondly, when discussing errors in the oft-cited Hopkins stat (that is the third leading cause of death news following the IOM numbers 20 years ago) the intent was to highlight SYSTEMIC errors that include fractured care. Someone gives a med. Someone else gives a med. Neither is aware of the other doctor. The patient doesn't tell either. Patient takes both meds and exacerbates their heart failure. They die. That's an error. That isn't negligence. It's a systemic problem. In the Hopkins study they were only looking at inpatient errors that could include medical reconciliation missing home meds or the patient providing old bottles because they don't know better, leading to a doctor not know what the patient was taking and a bad medication usage. That's not negligence. It is an error that should be prevented.
1> We don't have that many systemic errors (as the number you cite). But we do have a shit load that need to be fixed.
2> The vast majority of errors are due to things like the above because our healthcare system, especially around records sharing and communication with nursing is absolute garbage.
3> There is too much variation in the US system and this allows a swiss cheese model where these errors are produced at abnormally high rates because they are hard to spot without such consistency.
You read the post, or nah?
I'm not. I only care about perpetuating the myth that every 1/3 patient in the hospital is having a medical error while there. I'm not arguing the rest.
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I read the post
they didn’t cite their studies
and It’s the same uncited numbers from the group I posted
I remain unconvinced
they didn’t cite their studies
and It’s the same uncited numbers from the group I posted
I remain unconvinced
I never made that claim.
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This was supposed to quote this