So you think it’s possible to accidentally leave a child in the car as you go to work?
I know it is. It's happened repeatedly and been evaluated by a variety of scientists.
So you think it’s possible to accidentally leave a child in the car as you go to work?
I agree. It scares the hell out of me. I feel like I can see how it happens. I don’t think I’m any higher risk than anybody, but I can imagine someone under a lot of stress forgetting there was a sleeping baby in the car. Routine, and stress can teally affect people’s cognition and focus.I think that its a mistake any of us could make.
100%. Failure to provide critical care IMOWhy do you think they shouldn't?
This was a person and was totally dependent on their parent for their safety. Leaving a toddler in a hot car for 8 hours is criminal negligence causing death or involuntary manslaughter imo. I mean, she's obviously not safe to be in society if she can't even be bothered to remember about her infant/toddler for that span of time.
I agree. It scares the hell out of me. I feel like I can see how it happens. I don’t think I’m any higher risk than anybody, but I can imagine someone under a lot of stress forgetting there was a sleeping baby in the car. Routine, and stress can teally affect people’s cognition and focus.
The example I was thinking about is most of the time I take the train to work, sometimes I drive. I’ve been pre-occupied with work, gone into auto-pilot and accidentally taken the train home, leaving my car at work.it is really frightening.
What causes parents to forget children in hot cars?
Diamond has interviewed several parents whose children have died after being left in cars, and he said he often sees a pattern in the stories.
“When you drive home and don’t normally take a child to daycare, when you have a habit and you are normally driving home from work — and in those subsets or maybe none at all take a child home — well, what happens in all these cases, the parent goes into autopilot mode, which is typically from home to work. It’s in that subset of cases the basal ganglia is taking you on a route that does not include a child,” he said.
In these cases, Diamond said, the child is quiet and out of sight, which causes the parent to lose awareness of the task they’re out to do.
“The twist is, they did not stop at daycare on the way but brain creates false memory the child was at daycare,” Diamond said. “If the child isn’t in the car that child must be where the child belongs, and the parents go to work with absolute certainty the child is safe.”
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He said the brain will fill in the gaps, and the importance of the forgotten person or item doesn’t matter.
“What I try to get across to people is it’s not about the importance of the item. It’s about a dynamic brain system that can take things as trivial as a cup I left on my car,” Diamond sad. “And it goes to tragic memory failures such as leaving dogs in cars and leaving children in cars.”
When it comes to forgetting a child in the car, it’s all about routines and breaks in those routines that can prove fatal.
"Any person is capable of forgetting a child in a car under circumstances where a parent is going through a routine and the child is in the back,” Diamond said. “All those components, if they come into play, a child can die
Why do you want to charge these parents when we don't charge parents who accidentally back the car over their child in their driveway?I think you need to be held accountable for it whether it be accidental or not. Isn't it manslaughter?
Wut? Are you hitting the crack pile again?I agree. It scares the hell out of me. I feel like I can see how it happens. I don’t think I’m any higher risk than anybody, but I can imagine someone under a lot of stress forgetting there was a sleeping baby in the car. Routine, and stress can teally affect people’s cognition and focus.
posts like this are how I know that you haven't researched how human memory works.Hey, I left a chocolate bar in my cup holder last week which made a fine mess, so who am I to judge?
Come on people, we're talking about a miniature human being, not a bag of gym clothes or a hat or something. Who would forget a kid in the car? Fuck even Sean Penn in "I Am Sam" had the wherewithal not to do that.
Yes they deserve to be criminally responsible (and I hope they burn in hell).
lol I wonder how this empirical research happened did the scientists lock kids inside cars for hours they go do errands.I know it is. It's happened repeatedly and been evaluated by a variety of scientists.
Is this something that regularly happens to non-drug using, non-head injury having people? Doubt it.posts like this are how I know that you haven't researched how human memory works.
If you've ever forgot your wallet or phone at a restaurant, you can forget your child in a car.lol I wonder how this empirical research happened did the scientists lock kids inside cars for hours they go do errands.
so...now I'm sure you have absolutely no idea how your memory works.Is this something that regularly happens to non-drug using, non-head injury having people? Doubt it.
BTW... over half the States have laws against leaving animals in hot cars. But yall think it's fine and dandy to cook a kid in your car, just so long as you say "ooops.... my bad" afterwards. SMH
Some of you motherfuckers NEED JESUS
Oh please, Mr. Scientist, tell me how memory works... lol smh. If you leave your kid in the back of a car to roast to death, you're a retard.so...now I'm sure you have absolutely no idea how your memory works.
You think people who accidentally kill their child say "oops" and go on with their life?
now I'm sure you don't have kids, either.
If a medical professional failed to do their job for 8 hours and it caused a 21-month year old to die, would that just be an "oh well, accidents happen," in your books?Kids die in accidents when under parent supervision all the time in scenarios in which we don't hold the family criminally liable.
The question is, why aren't we charging parents who accidentally back the car over their child?Why do you want to charge these parents when we don't charge parents who accidentally back the car over their child in their driveway?
That story is beyond sad but I am a bit unclear now as to what you're asking:You're right on this time too...
A hot car, a dead child: Oregon mom's lawyer explains how it happened
She awoke last Thursday morning to find her husband fast asleep on the couch. His night shift as an emergency room tech at Mercy Medical Center in Roseburg had ended only hours before.
So Nicole Engler, a pediatric nurse, decided to let him sleep. She would handle his usual day care duties for their daughter, Remington, before heading off to work.
She bundled up their 21-month-old daughter, the adored child she'd spent 15 years trying to conceive. She placed her carefully into the car. She left the house. Her minded drifted to her day ahead, and soon she was on her route to work.
Hours later, the 38-year-old mother left the office and returned to her car. There she found her daughter , known to her family as Remy, unconscious and blue.
The mother's shrieks could be heard across the parking lot, witnesses said.
The detailed account, told by Engler's lawyer Thursday, comes a week after that day ended with daughter dead and mother behind bars, begging guards to let her commit suicide
The night before, mother and daughter, alone in their Gordon Avenue home, ate breakfast for dinner scrambled eggs and watched the movie "Ratatouille," Terry said.
Engler followed the normal routine the next morning when she woke up. She got Remy out of bed and clothed her. She gave her daughter a bottle, which she always had while Dad drove her to day care.
But when she saw her husband fast asleep on the couch, she decided to drop Remy off instead.
The two left in the family's Honda CRV. Soon, Engler was on Northeast Diamond Lake Boulevard, following the 4-mile route she took to work each day.
She thought about her duties and work commitments that morning. An 8:15 a.m. appointment with a child. The meeting with parents where she'd deliver them bad news.
Engler never stopped at Cobb Street Children's Learning Center. Lost in thought, she pulled into the parking lot at Evergreen Family Medicine just before 8 a.m.
That afternoon, Engler got back into her car and drove to a Dutch Bros. Coffee stand she visited daily. She excitedly told the servers about the upcoming fishing trip in Mexico her family booked.
She gushed about Remy to the Dutch Bros employees. She returned to work.
About 4:30 p.m., Engler left her office. She arrived at her car. And screamed.
Come to the Nando’s in Toronto if you want your ass kicked. I’m table 15.Wut? Are you hitting the crack pile again?
You and zhivago make me laugh
no. if you forget something, you're human. That's how human memory works.Oh please, Mr. Scientist, tell me how memory works... lol smh. If you leave your kid in the back of a car to roast to death, you're a retard.
BTW, this thread is exactly why women end up getting the kids 99% of the time in custody battles. Dudes up in here like "oh yeah, I can definitely see roasting my child to death in a car. Shit happens."
Was anyone arguing that human beings don't forget things?no. if you forget something, you're human. That's how human memory works.
Was that your big poignant thought? That all humans forget things? No shit. Like anything, there is layers to this shit homie. You forget an appointment? It happens. Forget to buy something at the supermarket? Whatever, you'll get it next time. Forget the name of someone you met at a party a week ago? Whatever.no. if you forget something, you're human. That's how human memory works.