Dumbest thing i have read today and that says a lot.Or get a regular job that doesn't involve fighting in a cage
How about if you do PEDs dont step in a cage. Or go to Japan where everything goes from roids to tentacle porn
Dumbest thing i have read today and that says a lot.Or get a regular job that doesn't involve fighting in a cage
If I had some sort of moral dilemma against PEDS, I wouldn't decide to be a cagefighter. Pretty simple lol.Dumbest thing i have read today and that says a lot.
How about if you do PEDs dont step in a cage. Or go to Japan where everything goes from roids to tentacle porn
Thats some logic you have thereIf I had some sort of moral dilemma against PEDS, I wouldn't decide to be a cagefighter. Pretty simple lol.
Lots of other avenues for people with an average IQ or better
Damn dude...I look at it the complete opposite. These are guys that helped build the UFC and the sport. Have spent thousands of hours busting their asses in the gym, dieting, cutting weight, being away from family, etc. Spilled sweat and blood for our entertainment. I think they deserve our respect, and the ability to continue their dream as long as they believe it's possible. If not in the UFC, then wherever. But I sure as shit am not going to be one to just throw away the old for the new with such disregard. Guys like Hendo, Shogun, Cro Cop, Hunt, Werdum are legends. Hell, one is a champion right now. They deserve our respect. It's what we've built the culture of this forum around as well.Thank god for this new testing maybe some of those mummies mentioned above will take their old asses off into the sunset and give me a card full of fresh young talented fighters. It's a pain in the ass watching these old ass men pretend they can still do it, they only get billing just because casuals know their names. If you cant train smart enough to not get hurt every camp fuck off, if you cant maintain the cardio without help fuck off, if you need help because you can't recover fuck off, if you need to get stronger because your skill level prevents achievement fuck off...
I agree with you.Damn dude...I look at it the complete opposite. These are guys that helped build the UFC and the sport. Have spent thousands of hours busting their asses in the gym, dieting, cutting weight, being away from family, etc. Spilled sweat and blood for our entertainment. I think they deserve our respect, and the ability to continue their dream as long as they believe it's possible. If not in the UFC, then wherever. But I sure as shit am not going to be one to just throw away the old for the new with such disregard. Guys like Hendo, Shogun, Cro Cop, Hunt, Werdum are legends. Hell, one is a champion right now. They deserve our respect. It's what we've built the culture of this forum around as well.
I take it Mir threw a pretend punch and sent Duffie into an imaginary swimming pool.Thank god for this new testing maybe some of those mummies mentioned above will take their old asses off into the sunset and give me a card full of fresh young talented fighters. It's a pain in the ass watching these old ass men pretend they can still do it, they only get billing just because casuals know their names. If you cant train smart enough to not get hurt every camp fuck off, if you cant maintain the cardio without help fuck off, if you need help because you can't recover fuck off, if you need to get stronger because your skill level prevents achievement fuck off...
As long as they think they can? Like Chuck? Ye his later fights were lovely to watch... What about the hard work being put in by the new breed most of whom cant get on to a main card because someone wants one more shot at glory. Hunt and Werdum are good in my book they are still capable of performing to a high level... I'm not disrespecting anyone I didn't mention names for a reason... Yes there are many legends and in a perfect world where I owned zuffa I would employ them as ambassadors of the sport, set them up with with gyms have a basic retirement plan for fucks sake, but it's not a perfect world is it promoters are mercenary animals who spit fighters out like melon seeds.Damn dude...I look at it the complete opposite. These are guys that helped build the UFC and the sport. Have spent thousands of hours busting their asses in the gym, dieting, cutting weight, being away from family, etc. Spilled sweat and blood for our entertainment. I think they deserve our respect, and the ability to continue their dream as long as they believe it's possible. If not in the UFC, then wherever. But I sure as shit am not going to be one to just throw away the old for the new with such disregard. Guys like Hendo, Shogun, Cro Cop, Hunt, Werdum are legends. Hell, one is a champion right now. They deserve our respect. It's what we've built the culture of this forum around as well.
I wonder how long you've been watching Big Sweets? Is it perhaps you haven't formed attachments to some of the older guys because you weren't watching them when they were in their primes?Thank god for this new testing maybe some of those mummies mentioned above will take their old asses off into the sunset and give me a card full of fresh young talented fighters. It's a pain in the ass watching these old ass men pretend they can still do it, they only get billing just because casuals know their names. If you cant train smart enough to not get hurt every camp fuck off, if you cant maintain the cardio without help fuck off, if you need help because you can't recover fuck off, if you need to get stronger because your skill level prevents achievement fuck off...
Chuck was getting KO'd by shots coming from 6" away (Rich Franklin fight, for example). His retirement was necessary. The guys I mentioned are all still competitive, and all still have value to the organization. Hendo just put on an amazing performing, for instance. What you're talking about is more of a "get rid of the old guard, so the new guard can get theirs". I simply don't agree with that. There's plenty of events and plenty of time for the new guys to get seasoned and recognized. And there's plenty of events to allow the old guys to still perform, as long as they capable. For every fan that doesn't want to see "some old guy fight"...there's 100 that doesn't want to see a 3-0 up & comer that hasn't made a name for himself. Earn it..the old guys did.As long as they think they can? Like Chuck? Ye his later fights were lovely to watch... What about the hard work being put in by the new breed most of whom cant get on to a main card because someone wants one more shot at glory. Hunt and Werdum are good in my book they are still capable of performing to a high level... I'm not disrespecting anyone I didn't mention names for a reason... Yes there are many legends and in a perfect world where I owned zuffa I would employ them as ambassadors of the sport, set them up with with gyms have a basic retirement plan for fucks sake, but it's not a perfect world is it promoters are mercenary animals who spit fighters out like melon seeds.
Not live I've only been watching 3 or 4 years but I've watched most every big fight that ever happened and I'd say I'm obsessed with the sport.. I'm also a romantic and can easily get attached to guys in fights from pride etc, and I know my history... I also hate seeing people get knocked out easily by shit they woulda laughed at previously, or look like shadows of themselves it makes me sad because I know that they are the foundations the sport is built on. I also know a lot of them are fighting because there is nothing for them after and they need the money.I wonder how long you've been watching Big Sweets? Is it perhaps you haven't formed attachments to some of the older guys because you weren't watching them when they were in their primes?
That's what I'm saying he is not the only one you mentioned whose retirement is necessary.... Hendo's style allows for the natural slowing down at his age, still he wasn't so spectacular V Mousasi was he? Does he drop from that shot ten years ago? 5? What if that 3 and 0 has a vastly superior skillset? Pantera for instance?Chuck was getting KO'd by shots coming from 6" away (Rich Franklin fight, for example). His retirement was necessary. The guys I mentioned are all still competitive, and all still have value to the organization. Hendo just put on an amazing performing, for instance. What you're talking about is more of a "get rid of the old guard, so the new guard can get theirs". I simply don't agree with that. There's plenty of events and plenty of time for the new guys to get seasoned and recognized. And there's plenty of events to allow the old guys to still perform, as long as they capable. For every fan that doesn't want to see "some old guy fight"...there's 100 that doesn't want to see a 3-0 up & comer that hasn't made a name for himself. Earn it..the old guys did.
I'm pretty similar to you, but started watching a couple years earlier(08). There are certain guys that older fans are more attached to than I am, Wanderlei Silva for instance, because going back and watching their fights doesn't have the same mystique and aura around them. Not to mention this is before you consider the evolution of the sport, and by today's standards Pride era Wanderlei is an aggressive brawler, which takes away from how impressive it was to be doing what he did at the time.Not live I've only been watching 3 or 4 years but I've watched most every big fight that ever happened and I'd say I'm obsessed with the sport.. I'm also a romantic and can easily get attached to guys in fights from pride etc, and I know my history... I also hate seeing people get knocked out easily by shit they woulda laughed at previously, or look like shadows of themselves it makes me sad because I know that they are the foundations the sport is built on. I also know a lot of them are fighting because there is nothing for them after and they need the money.
As I said above perfect world these guys get set up with gyms do promotional stuff get a fucking retirement plan at least, if those things were in place the number of guys wanting to go at 40 might be a lot less...
To be honest I think Wand V Hunt or Cro Cop even on youtube are some of the greatest spectacles in the history of sport, I agree with you about the skill set though. Man I get more pumped watching some prelims whose names I don't know if they are bringing the technique and the war..I'm pretty similar to you, but started watching a couple years earlier(08). There are certain guys that older fans are more attached to than I am, Wanderlei Silva for instance, because going back and watching their fights doesn't have the same mystique and aura around them. Not to mention this is before you consider the evolution of the sport, and by today's standards Pride era Wanderlei is an aggressive brawler, which takes away from how impressive it was to be doing what he did at the time.
I enjoy Wanderlei fights still, but I'll never be as pumped for them as someone who watched him during Pride. However, there are going to be fans who start watching in 5-10 years time, and they might be uninterested in watching Conor Mcgregor fight, since by then he might have dropped a couple and maybe his chin isn't quite what it used to be, but we'll still be creaming ourselves in anticipation.
Hendo just smashed Boetsch though, and he's not getting KO'd like Chuck was. Maybe I'm crazy but there isn't one guy on the roster that I would categorize as "needs to retire for his long term health". I put Chuck in that category before the Franklin fight. BJ was another one, as much as it pained me to admit it. I think Struve should think about it as well, simply because of the issues he's experienced. But the older guard on the roster right now are still competitive for the most part, against who they're being matched up against. And it's not like there's 50 of these guys, fighting 4 times a year, and taking up spots for other more deserving. There's only about 8-10 of them and they're only fighting 2 times a year for the most part. And no one on the roster is more deserving than them...at least not in my eyes.That's what I'm saying he is not the only one you mentioned whose retirement is necessary.... Hendo's style allows for the natural slowing down at his age, still he wasn't so spectacular V Mousasi was he? Does he drop from that shot ten years ago? 5? What if that 3 and 0 has a vastly superior skillset? Pantera for instance?
Maynard needs to retire for his long term health.Hendo just smashed Boetsch though, and he's not getting KO'd like Chuck was. Maybe I'm crazy but there isn't one guy on the roster that I would categorize as "needs to retire for his long term health". I put Chuck in that category before the Franklin fight. BJ was another one, as much as it pained me to admit it. I think Struve should think about it as well, simply because of the issues he's experienced. But the older guard on the roster right now are still competitive for the most part, against who they're being matched up against. And it's not like there's 50 of these guys, fighting 4 times a year, and taking up spots for other more deserving. There's only about 8-10 of them and they're only fighting 2 times a year for the most part. And no one on the roster is more deserving that them...at least not in my eyes.
Yep, there is a problem in defining what is natural, which is why it isn't a good argument against PED usage to say it isn't natural.I don't think steroids help much. They do for recovery but that's about it. Having big muscles is not beneficial unless you're a heavyweight. I wouldn't care if my opponent juiced as long as he made weight.
Morally, I don't see the difference between PEDs and legal supplements. You are taking something to get an edge. How is 30g of creatine "natural"? Or 400g of protein? That's something like 15lbs of beef! The only difference is PEDs are more effective.
Forgot him. That's another one. Thank you @ZephMaynard needs to retire for his long term health.
As I said Hendo is not at his best but his style allows for it and he is still competitive, I just think that more could be done to make names for younger guys. Rather than trotting out the old reliables.Hendo just smashed Boetsch though, and he's not getting KO'd like Chuck was. Maybe I'm crazy but there isn't one guy on the roster that I would categorize as "needs to retire for his long term health". I put Chuck in that category before the Franklin fight. BJ was another one, as much as it pained me to admit it. I think Struve should think about it as well, simply because of the issues he's experienced. But the older guard on the roster right now are still competitive for the most part, against who they're being matched up against. And it's not like there's 50 of these guys, fighting 4 times a year, and taking up spots for other more deserving. There's only about 8-10 of them and they're only fighting 2 times a year for the most part. And no one on the roster is more deserving that them...at least not in my eyes.