Look at how far Fedor is arching his body. You don't do that just so u can "rest your hand on the rope"
Look at how far Fedor is arching his body. You don't do that just so u can "rest your hand on the rope"
If u watch the GIF that LOAW posted, you'll notice that Fedor waits until Matt hooks Fedor's leg and is standing on one leg before pulling off the reversal.
At the exact second that Lindland was going to complete his slam/takedown was when Fedor pulled the reversal.
Excellent timing and move by Fedor if grabbing the ropes were legal. But it wasn't. Matt put a lot of effort in that TD attempt too.
Fedor's legs were pedaling helplessly in the air and the only thing holding him up was his grasp on those ropes
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Come on leigh
I saw the gif. Looked like Fedor fouled. And I'm fine with that. Lindland has faked tapped, bit someone and even grabbed the ropes first. A bit of rope grabbing by his opponent can be tolerated.Come on leigh
This isn't the video that I was talking about but you can even hear the commentators talking about it who were sitting right there
View: https://youtu.be/wOzkjyhJapI
The rope had zero to do with Lindland not getting a takedown or Fedor tossing him, his hand was open, and Fedor hooked Lindland's leg as soon as Lindland initially tested the waters. Lindland re-positioned, went for the td and got thrown.
Use your eyes, not your ears. Visually I don't see Fedor grabbing but pushing off. His hips/legs are what tossed Lindland, not the rope.
Lol D2 I KNOW you're not going there. Watch the last video I posted. How could you in good conscious, deny that Fedor grabbed the ropes maliciously there?
Use your eyes, not your ears. Visually I don't see Fedor grabbing but pushing off. His hips/legs are what tossed Lindland, not the rope.
Not sure about anyone else, but what I'm claiming is that Fedor used the rope to prevent being taken down. I'm definitely not saying he used the rope to throw Lindland. He did use it to stop Lindland's TD, and once the ball of his foot touched the floor, he sent Lindland flying (which was amazing, no doubt).Visually I don't see Fedor grabbing but pushing off. His hips/legs are what tossed Lindland, not the rope.
Gotta disagree on this.The rope had zero to do with Lindland not getting a takedown
Not arguing but more trying to get clarity.Not sure about anyone else, but what I'm claiming is that Fedor used the rope to prevent being taken down. I'm definitely not saying he used the rope to throw Lindland. He did use it to stop Lindland's TD, and once the ball of his foot touched the floor, he sent Lindland flying (which was amazing, no doubt).
To the Fedor-defenders, I ask this: do you think the ref was mistaken or incorrectly applying the rules when he repeatedly asked Fedor to get his hands off the rope?
Oh shi-, this is the everlasting argument that won't die.@D241 u must have missed this the first time I posted this. There is no way that anyone can say that he didn't blatantly use the ropes to his advantage.
View: https://youtu.be/eNQHn1WlCII
A legit response, although a complicated one. The appeal to karma is hard to objectively sort out. I hated what went down in the Bustamante fight, as did everyone watching (are there some who believe he didn't tap the first time, though? For those people, the karma logic wouldn't apply).I saw the gif. Looked like Fedor fouled. And I'm fine with that. Lindland has faked tapped, bit someone and even grabbed the ropes first. A bit of rope grabbing by his opponent can be tolerated.
4/14/07 Never forgetOh shi-, this is the everlasting argument that won't die.
LOL. Still a worthwhile one IMO. It is a bit of a time warp though.Oh shi-, this is the everlasting argument that won't die.
Supposing your opinion of the critical sequence is granted, ie, that the rope wasn't a factor, don't prior fouls make the result at least a little problematic, even if they aren't causally connected to the critical sequence? If one fighter repeatedly fouls another (say, headbutts) and the ref doesn't call it, don't we typically have a problem with that, especially if the offender wins?The rope had zero to do with Lindland not getting a takedown or Fedor tossing him, his hand was open, and Fedor hooked Lindland's leg as soon as Lindland initially tested the waters. Lindland re-positioned, went for the td and got thrown.
The issue IMO occurred BEFORE that series, and because of that, this action sequence fell under scrutiny.
Agree, my friend, hence why I was banking on Condit Alves to go to a split decision 50-45 50-45 Condit and the fuc-ing zoomed out judge to give it 49-46 to Alves and had there not been a knockout/stoppage that is probably what would have happenedLOL. Still a worthwhile one IMO. It is a bit of a time warp though.
Here's an open question: if we can't all agree on whether Fedor used the ropes to his advantage, how can we expect judges to accurately score fights?
Alves was setting him up with that broken nose. The plan was to horrify Condit into submission...naturally, the dumb refs didn't understand...Agree, my friend, hence why I was banking on Condit Alves to go to a split decision 50-45 50-45 Condit and the fuc-ing zoomed out judge to give it 49-46 to Alves and had there not been a knockout/stoppage that is probably what would have happened
get that on a shirt LLC that bitch4/14/07 Never forget
The scandal in St Petersberg