"Fingerless" gloves have got to go

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Guerrilla

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I'm all for gloves but I fucking hate grappling with gloves. People grabbing the gloves to stop gnp or trapping hands cause of gloves is major. It's probably as big a factor as gi-nogi.

I'm not even mentioning the change to grips and slipping hands into tight places ;)
Yeah gloves will always change the contest a bit but overall i prefer to sacrifice a bit of grip opportunity for so much increased safety

as grappling is more and more discouraged in MMA grips and submission holds will become less and less important
 

Guerrilla

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You can appreciate the finger protrusion between these 2 models, I would predict that the old style "Grappling glove" will eventually be replaced by the more complete protection of the shooto style glove (especially as "safety culture" reaches further and further into MMA)20200704_153243.jpg20200704_153303.jpg
 
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Yeah gloves will always change the contest a bit but overall i prefer to sacrifice a bit of grip opportunity for so much increased safety

as grappling is more and more discouraged in MMA grips and submission holds will become less and less important
That's nonsense

Theres a large amount of subs still. You can shatter a prospect on the ground just as fast as on the feet.

The increased safety in a fight is actually a valid point. But I would rather these guys train to stop eye poking. Or give them more time to recover. If I can watch 10 minute jessica eye promos I could watch a guy talk to the doc for a few minutes. Or they could show a eye poke blooper reel with benny's hill music to entertain the fans waiting

I'm only 75% serious
 

Onetrickpony

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"The grappler" is always gonna bitch about gloves

"Grappling" is almost gone from UFC

its knockdown MMA with insta "standups" designed to please the slack-jawed pro wrestling fanboys

How else could characters like Derrick lewis remain relavent ??

Sluggers welfare
At heavyweight for sure. In the lower weight classes grappling is alive and well.
 

Guerrilla

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That's nonsense

Theres a large amount of subs still. You can shatter a prospect on the ground just as fast as on the feet.

The increased safety in a fight is actually a valid point. But I would rather these guys train to stop eye poking. Or give them more time to recover. If I can watch 10 minute jessica eye promos I could watch a guy talk to the doc for a few minutes. Or they could show a eye poke blooper reel with benny's hill music to entertain the fans waiting

I'm only 75% serious
Grappling has been diminished throughout MMA history and one day it will nearly disappear as they will limit the time you spend on the ground to just a few seconds because the overwhelming Advertiser pressure will be for stand n bang slugfests

you can see this kind of Slugger 's welfare all over MMA history that UFC literally has the whole thing backwards for a very good reason

they instruct the man who's winning the grappling exchange to move forward in his positioning or they'll "stand it up" giving the bottom man a free Escape if he simply holds on and stalls

The UFC is intentionally destroying grappling by letting the guy on the bottom stall his way to a free Escape

it's intentional sabotage but people haven't learned how to exploit it yet
 

Guerrilla

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At heavyweight for sure. In the lower weight classes grappling is alive and well.
The UFC and most mixed martial arts organizations have every incentive to destroy the grappling game

there was a time where stand-ups were actually controversial!

the fact is grappling almost killed MMA but that was just an unfortunate coincidence because of the logistics at hand

today's Fighters are suffering the consequence of many years of anti grappling rule development

The fact is they penalize the athlete who is WINNING the grappling Exchange in modern MMA with a free Escape gifted to the person on the bottom for stalling

THIS TACTIC is a perfect example of what I'm talking about

it's a technique designed to make grappling less effective cuz the individual on the bottom has every reason to stall and wait for the magic standup escape with zero penalty!!!
 

Onetrickpony

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The UFC and most mixed martial arts organizations have every incentive to destroy the grappling game

there was a time where stand-ups were actually controversial!

the fact is grappling almost killed MMA but that was just an unfortunate coincidence because of the logistics at hand

today's Fighters are suffering the consequence of many years of anti grappling rule development

The fact is they penalize the athlete who is WINNING the grappling Exchange in modern MMA with a free Escape gifted to the person on the bottom for stalling

THIS TACTIC is a perfect example of what I'm talking about

it's a technique designed to make grappling less effective cuz the individual on the bottom has every reason to stall and wait for the magic standup escape with zero penalty!!!
There are referees that will stand up or intrude in a fight that is grappling heavy or because the have no fucking idea how the sub game works.

Overall, most refs understand what is happening on the ground (or standing) when going for subs.

if a ground game fighter takes someone down on tries to hold position without going for the finish it should be treated the same way as a wrestler who does the same.

The UFC is not a grappling contest, and therefore does not have to cater to sub specialists.

I love great grappling matches because I understand what is happening, the majority of the viewers do not.

Grappling and perfect technique is not popular, otherwise Mighty Mouse would still be in the UFC.

This is a numbers game for the UFC. Look up the greatest mma fights of all time and tell me how many grappling heavy fights made the list.
 
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Guerrilla

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There are referees that will stand up or intrude in a fight that is grappling heavy or because the have no fucking idea how the sub game works.

Overall, most refs understand what is happening on the ground (or standing) when going for subs.

if a ground game fighter takes someone down on tries to hold position without going for the finish it should be treated the same way as a wrestler who does the same.

The UFC is not a grappling contest, and therefore does not have to cater to sub specialists.

I love great grappling matches because I understand what is happening, the majority of the viewers do not.

Grappling and perfect technique is not popular, otherwise Mighty Mouse would still be in the UFC.

This is a numbers game for the UFC. Look up the greatest mma fights of all time and tell me how many grappling heavy fights made the list.
Sport grappling is a hot mess with rules that no one can understand except the most dedicated fan boy so I consider it a niche and a moot point

however

MMA grappling has been heavily discouraged by the UFC's advertising pressure

they want to see athletes stand n Bang

The only reason they stand-up fights is because the crowd begins to boo

Back in the old days stand-ups were considered very controversial and only occurred under extreme circumstances

Take a lesson from contest Judo and international wrestling where the stand-ups are now almost momentary

As for profit advertisers gain more and more influence over the way the contest is actually conducted mixed martial arts will continue to discriminate heavily against the ground game just like the new for-profit Olympics have wildly changed contest Judo and international wrestling

one needs to look no further than athletes like Derrick Lewis to see a perfect example of Sluggers welfare

all Derek has to do is stall on the ground after he's been taken down and wait for the referee to show up with his welfare check

The referee will stand Derek up and let him take pot shot after potshot at his opponent who has clearly dominated him in the grappling Realm

The UFC is largely a sports entertainment Corporation who manipulates mixed martial arts to impress the pro wrestling fan base there targeting

Do you have any idea how many Starbucks $7 coffees have been consumed in air-conditioned offices where "industry experts" have discussed how to encourage athletes who have more retail appeal??

Athletes like Brock Lesnar Derek Lewis and Greg Hardy have limited skills for mixed martial arts but they have unlimited appeal

The UFC has clearly and manipulated their contests in order to give them the best chance at success

The day of the wrestler is passed

just like the era of the BJJ butt scooter

Today they want guys like Derrick lewis, and greg hardy

they will do everything they can to encourage their victories
 

Onetrickpony

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Sport grappling is a hot mess with rules that no one can understand except the most dedicated fan boy so I consider it a niche and a moot point

however

MMA grappling has been heavily discouraged by the UFC's advertising pressure

they want to see athletes stand n Bang

The only reason they stand-up fights is because the crowd begins to boo

Back in the old days stand-ups were considered very controversial and only occurred under extreme circumstances

Take a lesson from contest Judo and international wrestling where the stand-ups are now almost momentary

As for profit advertisers gain more and more influence over the way the contest is actually conducted mixed martial arts will continue to discriminate heavily against the ground game just like the new for-profit Olympics have wildly changed contest Judo and international wrestling

one needs to look no further than athletes like Derrick Lewis to see a perfect example of Sluggers welfare

all Derek has to do is stall on the ground after he's been taken down and wait for the referee to show up with his welfare check

The referee will stand Derek up and let him take pot shot after potshot at his opponent who has clearly dominated him in the grappling Realm

The UFC is largely a sports entertainment Corporation who manipulates mixed martial arts to impress the pro wrestling fan base there targeting

Do you have any idea how many Starbucks $7 coffees have been consumed in air-conditioned offices where "industry experts" have discussed how to encourage athletes who have more retail appeal??

Athletes like Brock Lesnar Derek Lewis and Greg Hardy have limited skills for mixed martial arts but they have unlimited appeal

The UFC has clearly and manipulated their contests in order to give them the best chance at success

The day of the wrestler is passed

just like the era of the BJJ butt scooter

Today they want guys like Derrick lewis, and greg hardy

they will do everything they can to encourage their victories
I understand what’s you are saying but in my opinion if a grappler takes down their opponent but does nothing other thsn hold position they deserve to be stood up.

if you are active and continually threatening your opponent with submission attempts you (most of the time) will not be stood up. If you lie on top of someone without doing any type of damage or trying to finish the fight that’s on you.
 

Guerrilla

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I understand what’s you are saying but in my opinion if a grappler takes down their opponent but does nothing other thsn hold position they deserve to be stood up.

if you are active and continually threatening your opponent with submission attempts you (most of the time) will not be stood up. If you lie on top of someone without doing any type of damage or trying to finish the fight that’s on you.
Ok...

Think about it for a sec

what athlete should be incentivsed to improve their position?

the athlete that is losing or the athlete that is winning?
 

Onetrickpony

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Ok...

Think about it for a sec

what athlete should be incentivsed to improve their position?

the athlete that is losing or the athlete that is winning?
The athlete that is about to get stood up because they aren’t doing anything even though they have the “superior” position.
 

Guerrilla

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The athlete that is about to get stood up because they aren’t doing anything even though they have the “superior” position.
They "arent doing anything"??

THEY JUST EARNED A TAKEDOWN!!!

the guy on the bottom is the one that "aint doing nothin"

They have it ass-backwards and theres a good reason why

the guy that earned the takedown and is now maintaining Superior striking position deserves the chance to rest

HES WINNING!!!

the guy who has been taken down and it is in the inferior position is the one that should be required to improve his position

with the current system you enable stalling

that's what they want

they want athletes to stall on the ground so they can stand them up and get them banging again

it's a slick Hustle designed to enable stalling on the ground since the guy on the bottom has nothing more to do than hold on and wait for the referee while the man on top must do something dramatic right after his takedown in order to keep his Superior position

The UFC fooled/conditioned the fans to accept quick standups with this "system"

The UFC wants to eliminate grappling

why else would they have a system in place where all you had to do was stall from the inferior position to get a free Escape?