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kneeblock

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before they invested that money, it was earned, yes? why do you think you, or others, have a right to what other people have earned?
You're framing this question wrong. The more accurate way to look at it is why do you and I have to pay taxes on our incomes year in and year out and our families have to invest their money in fluctuating value/low yield assets like property (which they can transfer to us, but we'll still get stuck with the tax burden) while wealthier citizens can take money they've mostly earned through investment and lock it up in a trust with no tax liability that they then pass on to their descendants who likewise have no tax liability while our kids are working at Arby's getting taxed yet again?
 

jason73

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© WhiteHouse.gov
Secretary of State Rex Tillerson on Sunday announced the Trump administration is pulling out of a United Nations-led Global Compact on Migration (GCM), claiming it could undermine the enforcement of U.S. immigration laws.

"The United States has decided to end participation in the UN process to develop a Global Compact on Migration (GCM)," Tillerson said in a statement.

The U.S. has participated in the New York Declaration for Refugees and Migrants, a 2016 agreement to manage international migration, which was in the process of being adopted as a global compact in 2018.



Tillerson, however, said that the compact, which aims to protect the rights of migrants as well as help them resettle, "contains a number of policy goals that are inconsistent with U.S. law and policy."

"While we will continue to engage on a number of fronts at the United Nations, in this case, we simply cannot in good faith support a process that could undermine the sovereign right of the United States to enforce our immigration laws and secure our borders," he continued. He stressed that it "is the primary responsibility of sovereign states to help ensure that migration is safe, orderly, and legal."

A spokesperson said U.N. General Assembly President Miroslav Lajčák regretted the decision to "disengage," saying a multilateral approach is key to addressing international migration issues.

"The role of the United States in this process is critical as it has historically and generously welcomed people from all across the globe and remains home to the largest number of international migrants in the world," the spokesperson, Brenden Varma, said in a statement.

"The President stresses that migration is a global phenomenon that demands a global response and that multilateralism remains the best way to address global challenges," he added.
The decisions withdraw leave GCM comes one day before a global conference on migration is set to take place in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico.

President Trump has repeatedly pledged on the campaign trail and in office to strengthen the nation's borders and crack down on illegal immigration.
 

Truck Party

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You're framing this question wrong. The more accurate way to look at it is why do you and I have to pay taxes on our incomes year in and year out and our families have to invest their money in fluctuating value/low yield assets like property (which they can transfer to us, but we'll still get stuck with the tax burden) while wealthier citizens can take money they've mostly earned through investment and lock it up in a trust with no tax liability that they then pass on to their descendants who likewise have no tax liability while our kids are working at Arby's getting taxed yet again?
who's forcing you to invest in anything? & you're making a better case for cutting property & income taxes than you are for keeping a death tax. the govt taxes the money as it's earned, tax it as it grows, then takes half of it when they die & your desire to keep the death tax b/c you don't like the taxes you have to pay is not very convincing
 

kneeblock

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who's forcing you to invest in anything? & you're making a better case for cutting property & income taxes than you are for keeping a death tax. the govt taxes the money as it's earned, tax it as it grows, then takes half of it when they die & your desire to keep the death tax b/c you don't like the taxes you have to pay is not very convincing
Wait, what do you think an estate tax is?
 

Freeloading Rusty

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Trump / Flynn timeline (from Reddit):

 

Yossarian

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Trump / Flynn timeline (from Reddit):

Cliffs?
 

Freeloading Rusty

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Michael Flynn’s Guilty Plea Sends Donald Trump’s Lawyers Scrambling
The President insists that the investigations into Russian meddling amount to nothing more than fake news. But the truth is now emerging.

Last June, less than a month after President Donald Trump fired James Comey, the director of the F.B.I., the Senate Intelligence Committee convened to hear Comey’s testimony about a bizarre series of conversations he’d had with Trump. The strangest of these took place on February 14th, in the Oval Office, after Comey attended a meeting with a group of senior officials, including Vice-President Mike Pence and Attorney General Jeff Sessions. Trump asked Comey to remain when the others left. He wanted to talk about Michael Flynn, who had served as a top official in Trump’s campaign and had resigned from his position as the President’s national-security adviser the previous day, after information about pre-Inauguration phone conversations he’d had with the Russian Ambassador leaked to the press. Trump knew that the F.B.I. was investigating Flynn for lying about these calls, among other possible crimes, and he had a favor to ask of Comey. “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go,” Trump said. “He is a good guy.” Trump is not generally known for his magnanimous impulses toward former associates, so the question of why he wanted the F.B.I. to ease up on Flynn became a matter of intense debate. We may now know the reason.

On December 1st, in federal court in Washington, D.C., Flynn pleaded guilty to making false statements in the investigation the President wanted to stop. Flynn admitted to lying to the F.B.I. about his conversations with Sergey Kislyak, the Russian Ambassador, concerning sanctions imposed on Russia by President Obama. Flynn also apparently reported on discussions with the Russian Ambassador to K. T. McFarland, a Fox News analyst who became Trump’s deputy national-security adviser, and Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law and trusted adviser. At the time of the conversations, the Russia sanctions were of interest to the President-elect—largely, it seems, because they were of great interest to Russia. Vladimir Putin’s government wanted them lifted, and Flynn let Kislyak know that help was on the way. After the contact with Flynn, Russian officials decided to wait until the new Administration was in place to respond to Obama’s sanctions. This pleased the President-elect, who tweeted, “Great move on delay (by V. Putin)—I always knew he was very smart!” On this topic, as on so many others, the new Administration seemed to see things Russia’s way.

For months, Trump has insisted that the investigations into Russian meddling—investigations being conducted by the special counsel Robert Mueller and by both the Senate and House Intelligence Committees—amount to nothing more than fake news. But, as is so often the case when the President cries “fake news,” the truth soon emerges. Flynn’s encounter with Kislyak gets at central questions about the 2016 Presidential campaign and election: why were Trump and Russia doing one another’s bidding, and what promises were made between the candidate and that country in the event that he won? Flynn has now committed himself to answering those questions. He was charged with a single felony count, escaping multiple charges of greater magnitude in exchange for his coöperation with prosecutors. The leniency of the deal indicates that Flynn has information not only about the transition-team members but also about his superiors—and the national-security adviser’s only real superior is the President of the United States. Comey, whose testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee mapped out the President’s potential obstruction of justice, certainly seems to feel vindicated by Flynn’s guilty plea and by what it might mean for Trump. Shortly after the news broke, Comey, referring to the Biblical Book of Amos, tweeted, “But justice roll down like waters and righteousness like an ever-flowing stream.”

Mueller was appointed on May 17th, a week after Comey was fired, by Rod J. Rosenstein, who was acting as Attorney General after Jeff Sessions recused himself from matters related to the investigation. Mueller was directed to conduct “a full and thorough investigation of the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 election . . . including any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump.” In the months since then, Mueller’s task has often been described as an inquiry into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia—paradoxically, that framing has also become the heart of Trump’s defense. At least two officials in Trump’s inner circle have now lied to investigators about their dealings with Russia; four have been charged with felonies. Flynn’s guilty plea and promise to coöperate bring the investigation into the Oval Office for the first time. The charge against him, along with the cases against other members of Trump’s campaign, also hint at the kind of case Mueller may be building, and what defense the President and his associates may have.

Three lawyers form the core of the President’s defense team: Ty Cobb, John Dowd, and Jay Sekulow. In July, Trump hired Cobb away from private practice at the Washington law firm of Hogan Lovells, where he specialized in white-collar criminal defense, to serve as the White House liaison to Mueller’s office. Cobb is sixty-seven years old, with a voluptuous handlebar mustache and a serene manner. (According to family lore, he is a distant cousin of the late baseball star of the same name.) Cobb describes his duties as mundane in the extreme. “I feel most of the time like a second-year associate, because all I do is produce documents,” he told me. “My approach has been principally to accelerate the production of documents and the availability of witnesses to the fullest extent I can, with the hope of getting rid of this cloud that hampers the President in foreign policy, in domestic policy, and has the country confused and experiencing a malaise of the type that Jimmy Carter once explained. I think I’ve got a willing partner in Mueller, who also understands the importance of his task and the impact that it has on the Presidency.”

The White House lawyers, including Cobb, represent the institution of the Presidency, and Trump’s own lawyers, including Dowd and Sekulow, protect their client’s personal interests, but as a practical matter their goals are aligned: to make sure that Trump survives the Mueller investigation with his Presidency, and his liberty, intact. Trump’s public reaction to the investigation has been expressed principally through Sekulow, who is representing the President in an unlikely partnership with Dowd, who was hired in June. Dowd is best known for leading Major League Baseball’s investigation of Pete Rose for gambling on games, and, even though he has had fewer prominent cases recently than in the past, his hiring made a certain sense. Dowd is close to John F. Kelly, the White House chief of staff, who recommended him for the job, and who, like Dowd, is a retired marine and a native of the Boston area.

Sekulow grew up in a Jewish family on Long Island, and, after a religious awakening during his college years, in Atlanta, he joined the Messianic group Jews for Jesus. Following law school, he worked for the Internal Revenue Service, then founded a law firm that later went bankrupt. In 1986, he became the general counsel for Jews for Jesus. Sekulow’s advocacy on behalf of the group’s aggressive proselytizing brought him to the attention of Pat Robertson, the religious leader and conservative activist. The two men founded the American Center for Law and Justice, a right-wing counterpart of the American Civil Liberties Union, and the new organization thrived, thanks to the pair’s expertise in direct-mail fund-raising. Sekulow built a lavish headquarters for the A.C.L.J. in a renovated town house near the Supreme Court, and he branched out into public advocacy for a variety of conservative causes, including, eventually, the Presidential candidacy of Donald Trump. By now, Sekulow is as much a media figure as an attorney. He has had a nationally syndicated radio show, called “Jay Sekulow Live!,” and he frequently appears on Fox News. Sekulow has only modest experience in criminal law, but the President appreciated his spirited appearances on cable news and hired him as the public face of his defense. (Dowd remains behind the scenes.)

For now, Sekulow and Cobb are sticking to their original strategy. They have advertised their willingness to coöperate with Mueller as a sign that Trump has nothing to hide, and their reaction to Flynn’s guilty plea reflects this view. “Nothing about the guilty plea or the charge implicates anyone other than Mr. Flynn,” Cobb said. With regard to Mueller’s broader investigation, the White House lawyers’ position continues to be that President Trump didn’t commit a crime because no one did—or could—because there is no federal crime called “collusion,” and Rosenstein’s order did not refer to any criminal statutes that may have been violated. In several conversations with me, Sekulow emphasized that collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, even if it did take place, wouldn’t be illegal. “For something to be a crime, there has to be a statute that you claim is being violated,” Sekulow told me. “There is not a statute that refers to criminal collusion. There is no crime of collusion.”

The Mueller investigation appears to consist, roughly, of three areas of inquiry. The first focusses on illegal lobbying by people affiliated with the Trump campaign; the second relates to the hacking of e-mail accounts associated with Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee; and the third involves possible obstruction of justice by Trump and others after he was inaugurated. (Mueller’s office declined to comment.)

The lobbying investigation was initiated more than a year ago, by prosecutors in Justice Department headquarters, in Washington, and in the United States Attorney’s office in Manhattan. On October 30th, the probe’s first findings came to light when a grand jury in Washington charged Paul Manafort, the former chairman of Trump’s campaign, and Rick Gates, Manafort’s longtime deputy, with various crimes arising from their lobbying work for the government of Ukraine. The thirty-one-page indictment accused the two men of twelve felonies, including money laundering, failure to register as foreign agents, and making false statements to government investigators. (Manafort and Gates pleaded not guilty.)

Just as Cobb dismissed the significance of Flynn’s guilty plea for the President, Sekulow brushed off the Manafort and Gates case as unrelated to Trump. Sekulow said, “These are serious charges, no question, but they’re not charges that involve the campaign.” Still, the steps Mueller has taken suggest that, in one respect, he is using a traditional approach to a complex criminal investigation. He is trying to obtain guilty pleas or convictions in peripheral areas to win the coöperation of witnesses who can illuminate the issues at the center of his inquiry. But unlike in, say, the investigation of an insider-trading ring or an organized-crime family, it’s unclear that the core issue in Mueller’s case—the connections, or collusion, between the Trump campaign and Russia—is a crime at all.

When it comes to the issue of collusion, Mueller’s prosecutors might take a lesson from Sekulow’s career. In the nineteen-eighties and nineties, Sekulow represented a number of religious groups before the Supreme Court: Jews for Jesus members who wanted to distribute leaflets at Los Angeles International Airport, a Christian youth group in Nebraska that wanted to conduct prayers in a public school after class, and an evangelical group that wanted to show religious films in a public school in off-hours. In other, similar cases, lawyers had argued that such religious groups had been denied their right to free exercise of religion under the First Amendment. But these claims had mixed success, because the defendants argued that the religious groups were actually engaging in the establishment of religion by the government, in violation of a different clause of the First Amendment. Sekulow cut through this problem by ignoring the religion clauses and arguing to the Justices that his clients were being denied their right to free speech. By repackaging free-exercise claims as free-speech cases, Sekulow avoided having to address a countervailing constitutional principle and thereby turned losing arguments into winning cases.

Mueller may need to make a similar transformation—in his case, to relabel collusion as criminal conspiracy. Paul Fishman, who served as the Obama-era United States Attorney in New Jersey, where he supervised the prosecution of Governor Chris Christie’s subordinates in the Bridgegate scandal, told me about one possible case that Mueller may be building. “There is no crime called ‘collusion,’ but the evidence of collusion could be seen as a conspiracy to violate a specific provision of the federal code,” he said. “The law of conspiracy requires an agreement to something that the law already forbids.” That, of course, raises the questions of what, exactly, the conspirators did and what underlying laws they may have violated.

The full nature of the Trump campaign’s ties to Russia is not yet publicly known, but the established facts suggest conspiratorial behavior—and may even prove it. The key evidence thus far consists of several rounds of e-mails between Trump-campaign officials and individuals associated with Russia. On June 3rd, Rob Goldstone, a colorful British publicist who had worked for Trump at the 2013 Miss Universe contest, in Moscow, e-mailed Donald Trump, Jr., to say that a Russian official was offering “to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father. This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.” The younger Trump wrote back, “If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.” The e-mail thread was headed “Russia-Clinton—private and confidential,” and the promised meeting took place on June 9, 2016, at Trump Tower, in New York. The attendees included Trump, Jr., and a Russian lawyer introduced by Goldstone, as well as Paul Manafort, then the campaign chairman, and Jared Kushner. Later that summer, on July 22nd, WikiLeaks released tens of thousands of e-mails that had been stolen from the Democratic National Committee. A few days later, Trump said during a press conference, referring to e-mails that Clinton had deleted from her private server, “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the thirty thousand e-mails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

Several months later, starting on October 7th, WikiLeaks began a piecemeal release of tens of thousands more stolen e-mails, these from the account of John Podesta, Clinton’s campaign chair. (“I love WikiLeaks!” Trump said at a rally three days later.) The Atlantic recently reported that, on October 12th, a WikiLeaks Twitter account sent a direct message to Trump, Jr. “Hey Donald, great to see you and your dad talking about our publications,” the message said. “Strongly suggest your dad tweets this link if he mentions us,” it continued, pointing Trump, Jr., to a link where viewers could search the stolen documents. Fifteen minutes later, Donald Trump, the candidate, tweeted, “Very little pick-up by the dishonest media of incredible information provided by WikiLeaks. So dishonest! Rigged system!” A few days after that, Trump, Jr., tweeted out the WikiLeaks link to the stolen e-mails.

Does any of this behavior rise to the level of criminality, and, if so, what laws might it have violated? Federal law prohibits political candidates and their advisers from seeking or obtaining contributions from foreign individuals or entities. “Foreigners can’t contribute to federal, state, or local campaigns, and that doesn’t just cover cash contributions,” Kathleen Clark, a professor at the law school of Washington University in St. Louis, told me. “According to the statute, if a campaign solicits a foreigner to give a ‘thing of value’ to a political campaign, that would be illegal as well.”

The argument for a criminal-conspiracy charge based on these exchanges would be that Trump officials, including the candidate, solicited opposition research from Russian interests, and that such research is a “thing of value,” an in-kind contribution, under the law. “There is clearly a market for damaging information about opponents in political campaigns,” Clark said. “While there might be some uncertainty about how exactly to value it, I can’t imagine there would be serious debate about whether information is a thing of value.”

Still, a prosecution along these lines would hardly be straightforward or routine. In the past, criminal cases about solicitation have focussed on cash, so Mueller’s case would rest on a novel interpretation of the law. The status of WikiLeaks also creates a potential obstacle. Federal law contains an exemption for the press; news operations cannot be charged with making illegal campaign contributions by covering a campaign. The Trump campaign—and surely WikiLeaks itself—would likely argue that the organization is a journalistic outlet. It’s worth noting that President Trump’s own Central Intelligence Agency has a different view of WikiLeaks. Mike Pompeo, the director of the C.I.A., said in a speech in April, “It’s time to call out WikiLeaks for what it really is: a non-state hostile intelligence service often abetted by state actors like Russia.”

There’s another way in which collusion could be a crime—and it’s based on the original hack of the e-mails. The Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, which was enacted in 1986, prohibits unauthorized persons from obtaining the private electronic information of others, including access to e-mail accounts. “If there is an agreement to commit hacking, it doesn’t matter if the people in the Trump campaign didn’t do the actual hacking—it just matters that they knew someone else would do it. There just needs to be an agreement that one or more will do it,” Orin Kerr, a professor at George Washington University Law School and an expert on computer law, told me. “They just need to have encouraged the hacking.”

Is the distribution of e-mails stolen by others a crime? What if (as appears to be the case here) the theft of the e-mails took place well before the Trump campaign encouraged their distribution? In this case, the law of criminal aiding and abetting, not conspiracy, might be useful for Mueller. In most aiding-and-abetting cases, the defendant assists the main perpetrator while the crime is taking place—by, for example, driving the getaway car in a bank robbery. A recent Supreme Court precedent appears to expand the definition of aiding and abetting to include assistance after the crime has been committed. In Rosemond v. United States, the Court upheld the conviction of a defendant for aiding and abetting the use of a gun in a drug crime, even though he had no advance knowledge that there would be a gun present at the transaction. What mattered, according to Justice Elena Kagan’s opinion, was that “the defendant has chosen, with full knowledge, to participate in the illegal scheme.” There is currently no proof that anyone in the Trump campaign encouraged the Russians, or anyone else, to hack into their adversaries’ e-mail accounts for the e-mails that were eventually released. But Trump, Sr.,’s speech and Trump, Jr.,’s e-mails show that they knew that the e-mails had been hacked, and still encouraged their distribution. The C.E.O. of Cambridge Analytica, the data-analytics firm that worked for the Trump campaign, reportedly even reached out to WikiLeaks in the summer of 2016, asking it for State Department e-mails from Hillary Clinton so that the firm could organize and release them.

According to Susan Hennessey, a former lawyer at the National Security Agency and now a fellow at the Brookings Institution, where she studies cybersecurity, “Rosemond suggests that you can be held liable for the full crime even if you don’t know about every single element in advance. In this context, it may mean that the Trump-campaign officials can be prosecuted for aiding and abetting the hacking even though they did not know about it when it was done. By joining in the distribution of the hacked e-mails, they aided and abetted the commission of the crime.” (Journalists and others who publish newsworthy leaked and hacked documents without fear of criminal consequences can do so thanks to First Amendment protections.)

Nonetheless, based on the available evidence, both of these theories of criminal liability—conspiracy to receive unlawful in-kind contributions from foreigners, and aiding and abetting the hacking of e-mails—look like long shots for Mueller. Prosecutors tend to be cautious about pursuing criminal cases based on novel legal theories. “Prosecutors are expected to win every case they bring, and they are risk-averse because they don’t want to lose,” Samuel Buell, a former federal prosecutor who is now a professor at Duke’s law school, told me. “They know that in virtually every white-collar case the defense lawyer is going to say to the jury, ‘My client didn’t know what he was doing was against the law.’ So the key evidence in these cases is the proof that the defendants knew what they were doing was wrong—like when they destroy documents or lie about what they’re doing. That’s what establishes consciousness of guilt.” This may be why Mueller’s team has closely investigated the events of July 8, 2017, aboard Air Force One, after the news first broke of Trump, Jr.,’s e-mails with Goldstone and the subsequent meeting with the Russian lawyer. On the plane, the President apparently dictated a statement about the meeting that may have been false. The first comments from the White House about the meeting were drafted in part by Trump, and asserted that the conversation had focussed on adoption issues, which was misleading at best. If either Trump, Sr. or Jr., lied about the meeting in Trump Tower, that could suggest they knew that what had occurred in the meeting was a criminal act.

Sekulow dismisses the possibility of criminal charges based on either unlawful campaign contributions or the aiding and abetting of hacking. “I’m not concerned about these bizarre theories,” he told me. “There is no basis for saying, under the law or the facts, that any of this behavior during the campaign was criminal.” Cobb also professes optimism about the resolution of the case, and suggested to me that he thought the Mueller investigation, at least as it relates to the White House, would wrap up soon, probably in January of next year. (Cobb has made this kind of prediction before, guessing wrongly that the investigation would end by Thanksgiving or shortly after. Recent news reports suggest that Trump, perhaps influenced by Cobb, has been telling friends that he thinks Mueller will finish his work in the next few weeks.) Cobb said that even Flynn’s guilty plea “demonstrates again that the special counsel is moving with all deliberate speed, and clears the way for a prompt and reasonable conclusion.” The trial of Manafort and Gates isn’t scheduled to begin until next May, so Cobb’s sense of Mueller’s schedule is likely wishful thinking. On October 30th, the day of the Manafort and Gates indictment, Mueller also revealed that George Papadopoulos, a foreign-policy adviser to the Trump campaign, had pleaded guilty earlier in the month to lying to F.B.I. agents about his contacts with Russia during 2016. Aaron Zelinsky, one of Mueller’s prosecutors, said in court at Papadopoulos’s guilty-plea proceeding that “there’s a large-scale ongoing investigation of which this case is a small part.” Flynn’s plea and his coöperation suggest that when it comes to the final area of the prosecutor’s inquiry, obstruction of justice, the investigation may be ramping up rather than winding down.

Unlike “collusion,” the crime of obstruction of justice is well established and easy to understand. “The law prohibits people from taking actions that would impede the government’s search for the truth and doing so with the intent to keep the truth from coming out,” Fishman, the former U.S. Attorney, told me. The issue is at the heart of Mueller’s mandate because a possible obstruction of justice—the President’s decision to fire James Comey—gave rise to the creation of the special-counsel position in the first place. The crucial issue in the Comey firing is whether the President had a corrupt motive for the dismissal.

Two competing narratives about Comey’s departure lead to dramatically different conclusions about Trump’s behavior. The first comes principally from Comey’s testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee. Comey laid out a damning account of his dealings with Trump, starting on January 6th, before the Inauguration. By this point, it had been widely reported that the F.B.I. was investigating Russian interference in the 2016 campaign, and on that day Comey went to Trump Tower to brief the President-elect about the situation, including the claim, later revealed in the so-called Steele dossier, that Trump had cavorted with prostitutes in Moscow, in 2013. Three weeks later, on January 27th, Trump invited Comey to dinner alone at the White House and asked him if he wanted to keep his job as director. Trump then raised the subject of the Russia investigation and said, “I need loyalty, I expect loyalty.” Comey said he finessed the request by agreeing to provide “honesty,” and “honest loyalty.” Three weeks later, Trump had the talk with Comey in which he pressured him to let Flynn off easy, a conversation that now seems especially sinister. On March 30th, Trump called Comey at the F.B.I. and described the Russia investigation as “a cloud” that was impairing his ability to act on behalf of the country. He said he had nothing to do with Russia, and had not been involved with hookers in Moscow. He asked Comey what the two of them could do to “lift the cloud.” On April 11th, the President called Comey again to ask what the director had done to “get out” the word that he, Trump, was not personally under investigation regarding Russia. To all of the President’s requests in these conversations, Comey later testified, he replied in as noncommittal a way as possible. The next significant contact with the President was the letter of dismissal Comey received on May 9th. Comey’s account lays out the case that he was fired because he refused to abort the investigation of Trump—in other words, that the President had obstructed justice.

Trump’s defense to this claim is based on an alternative, and much shorter, chronology of events. The President’s advocates say he fired Comey not to interfere with the investigation of the campaign’s ties to Russia but, rather, because he thought that the F.B.I. director had mishandled the earlier investigation of Hillary Clinton’s e-mail practices. This defense starts with Comey’s testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday, May 3, 2017. Comey was questioned about his decision to reveal, just a few days before the 2016 election, that the F.B.I. had reopened the investigation of Clinton’s e-mails. Comey defended his actions, but added, “It makes me mildly nauseous to think that we might have had some impact on the election.” Comey’s answers at the hearing outraged Trump, and he spent the following weekend at his country club in New Jersey drafting a letter of dismissal to Comey, with the assistance of his aide Stephen Miller. (Mueller has a copy of the draft, which has not been made public.) The following Monday, May 8th, Trump showed the draft to Donald McGahn, his White House counsel, and to Vice-President Pence. Also on that day, the President met with Jeff Sessions and Rod Rosenstein, who had separately been discussing the advisability of dismissing Comey. Trump fired Comey the next day with a letter that was much shorter than the original draft. Rosenstein also released a memorandum purporting to justify the firing on the ground that Comey had mishandled the investigation of Clinton’s e-mails. According to this account, there was no obstruction of justice, because Trump’s reason for firing Comey had nothing to do with stopping the F.B.I.’s investigation of the President, and everything to do with the Clinton matter.



The chronology put forth by the President’s defenders omits Trump’s requests to Comey that he limit the F.B.I.’s Russia investigation, and it doesn’t reckon with Trump’s failure to mention to Comey his supposed complaints about the Clinton probe. In addition, Trump’s later actions undermine the exculpatory version of his decision. On May 10th, in a meeting in the Oval Office with Sergey Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, and Kislyak, the Russian Ambassador, Trump said, “I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nutjob. I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.” The next day, in an interview with Lester Holt, of NBC News, Trump said, of his decision to fire Comey, “When I decided, I said to myself, I said, ‘You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story.’ ” In more recent months, according to a report in the Times, the President has also tried to persuade Republican senators on the Intelligence Committee to shut down its investigation into his campaign’s ties to Russia. In sum, on the basis of the publicly available evidence, the case against Trump for obstruction of justice is more than plausible. Most perilously for the President, Flynn may know what Trump has to hide.

The obstruction-of-justice investigation raises the question of whether President Trump, or any President, can be indicted while in office. That issue has never been definitively resolved. In 1973, the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, which provides official guidance to the Attorney General, wrote a memorandum concluding that a President could not be charged. The argument was that the stigma of an indictment, and the resulting distractions to a President, would prevent the executive branch “from accomplishing its constitutional functions” in a way that cannot “be justified by an overriding need.” In internal deliberations, the staffs of two special prosecutors, Leon Jaworski, during the Watergate scandal, and Kenneth Starr, during Whitewater, reached the opposite decision, that a President could indeed be charged while in office. Neither of them decided to bring charges, however. Instead, both forwarded the evidence to Congress so that the House of Representatives could weigh the possibility of impeachment.

The grounds for impeachment set out in the Constitution—“high Crimes and Misdemeanors”—are familiar, but a consensus definition of those terms has proved elusive. Perhaps the best-known attempt came from Gerald Ford, who as a congressman led a failed attempt to impeach the Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas in 1970, for purportedly improper financial dealings. “An impeachable offense,” Ford said, “is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history.” Ford’s tautology gets at a fundamental truth about impeachment: it’s a political process more than a legal one.

The broad outlines of the grounds for impeachment are more or less settled. Cass Sunstein, a professor at Harvard Law School, who recently published “Impeachment: A Citizen’s Guide,” told me, “The Framers wanted some kind of check on the executive, but they didn’t want to see impeachments for routine disagreements between Congress and the White House. They wanted to preserve the separation of powers, so they tried to set out criteria which would not compromise the executive branch.” One rule that’s clear is that an impeachable offense doesn’t have to be an actual crime. For example, a President who joined a religious order and took a vow of silence would surely be impeached without having committed a crime. At the same time, not all criminal offenses are supposed to be impeachable. As Alexander Hamilton wrote in Federalist No. 65, impeachable offenses must involve “abuse or violation of some public trust. They are of a nature which may with peculiar propriety be denominated political, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself.”

It seems clear, too, that a President can be impeached for conduct that took place before he took office, especially if the misdeeds led to his electoral victory. George Mason, one of the most eloquent of the Framers, asked rhetorically during the Constitutional Convention, “Shall the man who has practiced corruption & by that means procured his appointment in the first instance, be suffered to escape punishment, by repeating his guilt?” As Sunstein told me, “If you procure your office by corrupt means, that would be an impeachable offense.”

The unusual facts of the Russia investigation may implicate another, lesser-known part of the impeachment provision in the Constitution. Article I states that a President can also be impeached and removed for treason and bribery. Treason is defined in the Constitution as “levying war” against the United States, which seems inapplicable to Trump’s conduct, but his business dealings with Russian interests may yet produce evidence of bribery. Trump’s financial affairs, especially with regard to Russia, remain opaque, but it’s possible to imagine how they might give rise to an impeachable offense. A straight payoff to Trump—cash in return for, say, a relaxation of the sanctions imposed by President Obama on the Putin regime—would certainly be impeachable even if it were not technically a crime under American law. Trump’s known business dealings suggest the possibility of a quid pro quo with Russian interests. In 2015, for example, Trump signed a “letter of intent” to build a tower in Moscow. Felix Sater, a Russian associate of Trump’s, wrote of the project, in an e-mail to Trump’s attorney Michael Cohen, “Our boy can become president of the USA and we can engineer it. . . . I will get all of Putins team to buy in on this, I will manage this process.” That deal never came to fruition, but the intent expressed on both sides is deeply troubling.

In his book, Sunstein suggests a useful mental exercise when weighing the question of impeachment. “Suppose that a president engages in certain actions that seem to you very, very bad,” he writes. “Suppose that you are tempted to think that he should be impeached. You should immediately ask yourself: Would I think the same thing if I loved the president’s policies, and thought that he was otherwise doing a splendid job?” This advice is unlikely to be heeded by the Democratic and Republican politicians who actually make the decision. The House of Representatives is under Republican control, and there appears to be little Mueller could tell the majority that would prompt an impeachment investigation, much less an actual vote to drive Trump from office. If the House goes Democratic in the 2018 elections, impeachment may become a more realistic possibility. Still, in the end, it may be that neither prosecutors nor legislators will hold the Trump campaign accountable for its reciprocal embrace with the Russians. That responsibility may belong exclusively to the voters. ♦


This article appears in the print edition of the December 11, 2017, issue, with the headline “The Russia Portfolio.”


 

KWingJitsu

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Trump / Flynn timeline (from Reddit):

DAM SON!
 

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If things are going so great for Trump then why are his approval levels at an all-time low for a president this early in his term?

I'm no fan of liberals but for God's sake people how can you support this clown if you have a shred of intelligence in your head.

It really is a very similar situation to how those cultists at Penn State still refuse to acknowledge Joe Paterno's role in the child sex scandal because they just can't help but cheer for the guy who leads their team.
 

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If things are going so great for Trump then why are his approval levels at an all-time low for a president this early in his term?

I'm no fan of liberals but for God's sake people how can you support this clown if you have a shred of intelligence in your head.

It really is a very similar situation to how those cultists at Penn State still refuse to acknowledge Joe Paterno's role in the child sex scandal because they just can't help but cheer for the guy who leads their team.
I like this guy already. Welcome aboard.:cheers:
 

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Manafort worked on op-ed with Russian while out on bail, prosecutors say
Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort was ghostwriting an op-ed while out on bail last month with a Russian who has ties to the Russian intelligence service, Justice Department Special Counsel Robert Muller's team said Monday.

In a new filing Monday afternoon, Mueller's investigators said Manafort was working on an editorial in English as late as last Thursday and that it related to his political work for Ukraine, which factored into his money-laundering and foreign lobbying criminal charges.
The filing asks for the court to revisit a bail agreement Mueller's office and Manafort's lawyers made jointly last week. The court had not yet approved a change to his $10 million unsecured bail and house arrest.
"Even if the ghostwritten op-ed were entirely accurate, fair, and balanced, it would be a violation of this Court's November 8 Order if it had been published," prosecutors wrote. "The editorial clearly was undertaken to influence the public's opinion of defendant Manafort, or else there would be no reason to seek its publication (much less for Manafort and his long-time associate to ghostwrite it in another's name)."
Manafort has pleaded not guilty to the charges. The bail agreement the lawyers appeared to have reached would have freed him from house arrest and GPS monitoring while asking him to post more than $11 million in real estate as collateral. Prosecutors have argued since his arrest October 30 that Manafort is a flight risk.
The judge in the case ordered in early November for Manafort, his lawyers and the prosecutors to "refrain from making statements to the media or in public settings that pose a substantial likelihood of material prejudice to this case."
Prosecutors also have asked the court for the ability to submit details about Manafort's Russian contact and the op-ed under seal, so they would remain confidential.
 

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Sessions argued in Clinton impeachment that presidents can obstruct justice
Donald Trump’s personal lawyer argued Monday that, as the nominal head of federal law enforcement, the president is legally unable to obstruct justice. But the exact opposite view was once argued by another senior Trump lawyer: Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

In 1999, Sessions – then an Alabama senator – laid out an impassioned case for President Bill Clinton to be removed from office based on the argument that Clinton obstructed justice amid the investigation into his affair with White House intern Monica Lewinsky.


“The facts are disturbing and compelling on the President's intent to obstruct justice,” he said, according to remarks in the congressional record.

Sessions isn’t alone. More than 40 current GOP members of Congress voted for the impeachment or removal of Clinton from office for obstruction of justice. They include Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell – who mounted his own passionate appeal to remove Clinton from office for obstruction of justice – Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley and Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard Burr, who was a House member at the time.
Far-Right Leader Boasts About Her “Special Relationship” With Donald Trump
A woman who president Donald Trump admired and retweeted her three unverified anti-Muslim videos was Jayda Fransen, a leader of the Far-Right British group.

Trump and Fransen’ dogmatic wrath on Twitter went out to more than 43 million of Trump followers. Fransen believes Trump approves her Islamophobia beliefs.

The Far-Right leader gleefully boasted that she now has a “special relationship” with the United States President in the extremist organisation’s secret annual conference yesterday.
Supreme Court allows full enforcement of President Trump's travel ban
The Supreme Court is allowing the Trump administration to fully enforce a ban on travel to the United States by residents of six mostly Muslim countries.

The justices, with two dissenting votes, said Monday that the policy can take full effect even as legal challenges against it make their way through the courts. The action suggests the high court could uphold the latest version of the ban that Trump announced in September.

The ban applies to travelers from Chad, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Syria and Yemen. Lower courts had said people from those nations with a claim of a "bona fide" relationship with someone in the United States could not be kept out of the country. Grandparents, cousins and other relatives were among those courts said could not be excluded.

Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor would have left the lower court orders in place.

The San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals and the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Virginia, will be holding arguments on the legality of the ban this week.

Both courts are dealing with the issue on an accelerated basis, and the Supreme Court noted it expects those courts to reach decisions "with appropriate dispatch."

Quick resolution by appellate courts would allow the Supreme Court to hear and decide the issue this term, by the end of June.
 

KWingJitsu

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If things are going so great for Trump then why are his approval levels at an all-time low for a president this early in his term?

I'm no fan of liberals but for God's sake people how can you support this clown if you have a shred of intelligence in your head.

It really is a very similar situation to how those cultists at Penn State still refuse to acknowledge Joe Paterno's role in the child sex scandal because they just can't help but cheer for the guy who leads their team.
Because in DuhMerica, politics has finally become a team sport.
You root for your team no matter what even if the starting quarterback is a habitual enemy of truth, and the corner back is a statutory child rapist. Because .... well, MAGA!