Khabib destroys Conor

[Weidman's right nut]

Right.....
Go cheer for pure trash while talking shit about others

You support some of the worst representatives of the sport there has ever been
The sport would be better off had Barnett and baszler never been involved

Happy New Year

What am I missing/forgetting about Baszler?? Other than not being a very good fighter, what is the issue??

 

[Lukewarm Carl]

View: https://twitter.com/TheNotoriousMMA/status/947852566381105152

 

[Atto]

Khabib ate a roundhouse kick from Barboza last night and walked straight forward for another takedown. Conor isn't knocking Khabib out.

One thing is for sure that Conor will rock him easily in few seconds and we don't know what happens next.
Conor's striking should be another level after preparing for Mayweather , so if you guys think Khabib will dominate then you are wrong.

 

[lueVelvet]

I rewatched the Mj fight last night and honestly Khalabib didn’t look all that hurt by his striking. He ate the shots, took a moment and went to work.

I can’t deny Conor his punchers chance but no amount of grappling training in the next 4-6months will prepare Conor for the demoralization he would experience if Khalabib gets that body lock.

Honestly, until this weekend, I’ve always called for the Conor treatment for Khalabib but after what he did to Barboza, I just don’t see it happening. Plus Conor has made such a mockery of himself as of late so watching his soul get released from his body would be amusing.

On a side note, someone needs to work up an image of Conor’s soul leaving his body with Khalabib presiding over it. I may have to send a message to dosbrak on IG.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Remember the time his opponent knew he'd do this but he somehow managed to do whatever he wanted?

Maybe you're buying "he wanted to go 3 rounds because of the long layoff, but I'm certainly not."

What makes you think he'd be unable to adapt to a different fighter?

Because the coaching staff that Conor works with is so far ahead of Khabib's I don't even know where to begin.

 

[Lukewarm Carl]

View: https://twitter.com/TeamKhabib/status/947864062506958851

 

[1031]

Maybe you're buying "he wanted to go 3 rounds because of the long layoff, but I'm certainly not."

I think he may have opted not to go for the finish but....well, the dude seems genuine so it's not on me to take issue with his claims.

Because the coaching staff that Conor works with is so far ahead of Khabib's I don't even know where to begin.

I don't know what you know about the internal workings of both camps but I know I know sfa so it's not for me to speculate.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

I don't know what you know about the internal workings of both camps but I know I know sfa so it's not for me to speculate.

John Kavanagh is one of the great thinkers of the sport. AKA on the other hand is mostly known for hurting its athletes and grooming the finest, first class, upper echelon bridesmaids.

 

[1031]

John Kavanagh is one of the great thinkers of the sport. AKA on the other hand is mostly known for hurting its athletes and grooming the finest, first class, upper echelon bridesmaids.

Please do not take this as a detraction from the accolades you've lain on Mr. Kavanagh, but I find it a hard statement to qualify. I mean, you could be right but it's not like you know what the majority of thinkers in mma actually think, is it?
Regarding AKA, what do I know? Nothing. But I do know this, we learn from failures and successes, how well they learn is something I can't comment on but they've certainly had (as a group) learning experiences.

 

[Wild]

John Kavanagh is one of the great thinkers of the sport. AKA on the other hand is mostly known for hurting its athletes and grooming the finest, first class, upper echelon bridesmaids.

What’s he done with anyone besides Conor?

 

[Mix6APlix]

View: https://twitter.com/TheNotoriousMMA/status/947852566381105152

Fuck the irish guy and strip him of his belt.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

I mean, you could be right but it's not like you know what the majority of thinkers in mma actually think, is it?

I realize that you're the consummate objectivist, and in general I applaud it. But if you're going to go that far out about it, there's no sense in discussing anything. We can look at the results of SBG's fighters, and how they come back from their losses. We can look at AKA's fighters, and how they come back from their losses. SBG seems to always be offering something new (particularly off of a loss) AKA, continually runs the same fighters out with the same gameplans. We've watched them go to the same well so many times it isn't even a guess what their fighter's gameplans are going to be.

From his previous fights I can extrapolate that Khabib will plod forward with sloppy striking looking for an opportunity to clinch and work for a takedown. From there he'll apply gnp and if an obvious opportunity to finish the fight presents itself he'll take it, but otherwise he's more than fine with running down the clock and winning on the cards. I know this because it's exactly what he's done in all of his UFC fights.

What Conor will do? I have no fucking idea. Everytime he comes to the cage it's a surprise.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

What’s he done with anyone besides Conor?

You realize we're talking about MMA, right?

The number of camps that have turned out multiple high level fighters is incredibly small (Jackson's and Renzo's are the only 2 I can think of). The number of camps that have done it from outside the U.S. is, well, I believe it's exactly zero.

 

[Weidman's right nut]

I have to say all this back and forth is really meaningless because I feel that a majority of the fight fans know there is no chance in hell of the fight actually taking place. Conor has already laid the ground work for avoiding the fight tweeting how he demanding huge money blah, blah blah.

 

[Sex Chicken]

Conor sleeps an angry Aldo who sprints right into a punch and now Conor fans acting like all he needs to do is hit Khabib once. Fuck that. A 5 foot tall short notice Mendes ate his shots and took him down twice in the first round. When Khabib takes him down, he won't get up.

Also, look at the size difference here and Conor spent a year crying about Nate's size.

View: https://vimeo.com/155474522

 

[1031]

I realize that you're the consummate objectivist, and in general I applaud it. But if you're going to go that far out about it, there's no sense in discussing anything.

I am glad you enjoy the perspective I offer. That said, I am questioning how much you really know. I mean, you've made your claims but other than saying "oh so-and-so is the best cause I said so" I wanted to know what else you have to back up your p.o.v.
Don't get me wrong, if Conor can successfully employ lateral movement to evade and counter then his accuracy and timing can and will put away Khabib. But why are we to assume Khabib and team have no answer nor can they figure out an answer to this? Is Conor the first fighter in history to employ lateral movement and counters?

We can look at AKA's fighters, and how they come back from their losses. SBG seems to always be offering something new (particularly off of a loss) AKA, continually runs the same fighters out with the same gameplans. We've watched them go to the same well so many times it isn't even a guess what their fighter's gameplans are going to be.

Okay, on that I see your point.

From his previous fights I can extrapolate that Khabib will plod forward with sloppy striking looking for an opportunity to clinch and work for a takedown. From there he'll apply gnp and if an obvious opportunity to finish the fight presents itself he'll take it, but otherwise he's more than fine with running down the clock and winning on the cards. I know this because it's exactly what he's done in all of his UFC fights.

I think beating the shit out of his opponent is an attempt to finish.

What Conor will do? I have no fucking idea. Everytime he comes to the cage it's a surprise.

I think overall we agree more than we disagree.

 

[Wild]

You realize we're talking about MMA, right?

The number of camps that have turned out multiple high level fighters is incredibly small (Jackson's and Renzo's are the only 2 I can think of). The number of camps that have done it from outside the U.S. is, well, I believe it's exactly zero.

I give him credit for James Gallagher too, so there's two. Maybe you're right about him, but I wouldn't put him in the same class as Zahabi, Mendez, Hume, or even Cordeiro. For the record, I also think Jackson is overrated.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

But why are we to assume Khabib and team have no answer nor can they figure out an answer to this?

Because AKA is the team of trying the same thing over and over again and thinking it'll work. Historically they've demonstrated that they have a gameplan and they stick to it even when it's to the detriment of their fighters. We've seen it with Cain, we've seen it with DC. We haven't seen it with Khabib, but we haven't seen Khabib fight someone who had a plan to counter his. Yet.

Is Conor the first fighter in history to employ lateral movement and counters?

Historically I've not been a fan of Conor, and I still believe he's over rated, but is there anyone else that employs counters and lateral movement the way Conor has?

 

[Wild]

Conor sleeps an angry Aldo who sprints right into a punch and now Conor fans acting like all he needs to do is hit Khabib once. Fuck that. A 5 foot tall short notice Mendes ate his shots and took him down twice in the first round. When Khabib takes him down, he won't get up.
Look at the size difference here and Conor spent a year crying about Nate's size.

View: https://vimeo.com/155474522

This. I would be shocked if he slept Khabib.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

I give him credit for James Gallagher too, so there's two. Maybe you're right about him, but I wouldn't put him in the same class as Zahabi, Mendez, Hume, or even Cordeiro. For the record, I also think Jackson is overrated.

Pendred was a good fighter, and Gunner Nelson isn't exactly a bum, either. You want to talk about over rated and then mention Zahabi as being upper echelon? You serious?

I'm also in disbelief that you called Jackson over rated.

 

[1031]

Historically I've not been a fan of Conor, and I still believe he's over rated, but is there anyone else that employs counters and lateral movement the way Conor has?

In mma or combat sports?

We've seen it with Cain, we've seen it with DC.

I dunno man, Cain's tactics were pretty darned successful for the most part, same thing with D.C.
It sounds like they did a piss poor job in understanding the effects of elevation on human physiology and Jones is a physical phenom who also is has a very high fight i.q. It's got to be hard to prepare for that.
That said, I see the point you're making so while still not convinced, you've more than made your point.
Cheers.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

In mma or combat sports?

MMA. In a sport specific scenario he sucks.

I dunno man, Cain's tactics were pretty darned successful for the most part, same thing with D.C.

As I said, successful until they're not and then there's no backup plan. Time will tell how things will pan out. Of course more than likely we'll never see the fight so this thread is all we have.

 

[La Paix]

conor was a butthair of cardio from being squashed in his infancy

chad mendes and chad is a blown up lower weight class guy IMIO

Conor sleeps an angry Aldo who sprints right into a punch and now Conor fans acting like all he needs to do is hit Khabib once. Fuck that. A 5 foot tall short notice Mendes ate his shots and took him down twice in the first round. When Khabib takes him down, he won't get up.

Also, look at the size difference here and Conor spent a year crying about Nate's size.

View: https://vimeo.com/155474522

The Mendes fight isn't a accurate comparison. For 1 Conor was cutting like 25+ lbs to make 145. McGs cardio has been questionable for sure but that cut was killing him.

What Chad has over Khabib is a very effective way to close the distance with his power punches and speed, neither of those things are ever talked about when discussing Khabib. Also Chad is more of a TD, beat up, let back up and repeat where Khabib usually holds the guy down, much different styles so I don't think this comparison has much value.

I can't speak for anyone else but I don't see Conor landing one shot to finish anyone at LW or higher, that only worked for him at FW. What I do see Conor doing is landing multiple shots while Khabib walks straight forward as he knows that's all he can do to try and get ahold of him. That front kick he uses is awesome and once he can get Khabib worried about getting caught his shots will start to come from further and further away making for some easy pickings for McGregor.

The real threat is Tony. IMO he beats Khabib and Conor as of now.

#snapdowncity

 

[dacofty]

Conor wants no part of Khabib or Tony, he will post drunk tweets that will sound like a 3rd grader.

 

[Sex Chicken]

The Mendes fight isn't a accurate comparison. For 1 Conor was cutting like 25+ lbs to make 145. McGs cardio has been questionable for sure but that cut was killing him.

What Chad has over Khabib is a very effective way to close the distance with his power punches and speed, neither of those things are ever talked about when discussing Khabib. Also Chad is more of a TD, beat up, let back up and repeat where Khabib usually holds the guy down, much different styles so I don't think this comparison has much value.

I can't speak for anyone else but I don't see Conor landing one shot to finish anyone at LW or higher, that only worked for him at FW. What I do see Conor doing is landing multiple shots while Khabib walks straight forward as he knows that's all he can do to try and get ahold of him. That front kick he uses is awesome and once he can get Khabib worried about getting caught his shots will start to come from further and further away making for some easy pickings for McGregor.

The real threat is Tony. IMO he beats Khabib and Conor as of now.

#snapdowncity

All good points. I was mostly using the Mendes comp to show the volume of punches Conor needs to land to be affective. I was getting the impression from a lot of Conor's fans that Khabib won't be able to close the distance without getting ko'd.

I think it's an excellent fight. I think the way you describe McGregor winning the fight is a real possibility. I just feel like Conor will be a lot tighter than usual. He will not have as much creative freedom because I think that Khabib is uniquely capable of taking advantage of any mistakes Conor makes. I see Conor using that push kick to create as much distance as he can. I don't see him setting his feet, and commiting very much. I think Conor frustrating him with movement and picking away at him for a decision is a remote possibility.

I don't see Khabib walking him down as blatantly as he did against Barbosa. Barbosa is a more powerful but more one dimensional striker than Conor. Khabib was just worried about those head kicks. I think people are imagining Khabib with the same game plan and being a sitting duck for Conor. Khabib is a world class athlete and is going to be showing Conor some looks of his own.
I don't see McGregor finishing him and I don't think there is a chance in hell he can avoid getting taken down, and a takedown by Khabib means only two things, a) GNP finish or b) conceding the round and spending it on your back taking damage.
I really see it as Conor having a lot less room for error than Khabib does. 2nd round KO for Khabib.