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BeardOfKnowledge

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It is absolutely relevant. The whole purpose of the tfw program was to keep the minimum wage low. Without tfw they would have had to increase minimum wage long ago because enough Canadians do not want to do these jobs for 11.60 h.
Can you tell me how many people work full time for minimum wage, or what percentage of the Ontarian workforce are TFW's?

The Ontario unemployment rate is also low which suggests, there's no issue with people taking jobs.

I do like how you avoided the actual point of my post though, shocking.
 

jason73

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In a broad sense, the 90% of Ontarians who work full time and made more than minimum wage just took a defacto pay cut by being pushed 3 dollars closer to minimum wage. More specifically people who previously had specialized training in a specific field but only made a few dollars more than minimum wage are no making minimum wage because there's no obligation for employers to raise wages across the board. People who work jobs like receptionists and apprentice tradespeople just became minimum wage earners like a 16 year old applying for his first job at McDonald's.



TFW is not relevant, stop pretending it is.
I have been saying this to the dummys at work for a while.we hire guys for 15 an hour to start.min wage is like 10.50 or something.if min wage goes up to 15 we arent going to start hiring at 20 we are still going to pay them 15.now they will be slaving away for min wage.the boss isnt going to take a huge hit on payroll.someone is probably getting laid off.i got hired 10 years ago and it took me foever to make decent money.now some new guy will get hired and instantly make what took me 5 years of raises to get to.on paper a raise for the bottom rung of workers is a nice idea but in reality it screws the guys who make a few bucks more than min and screws small business owners big time
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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I have been saying this to the dummys at work for a while.we hire guys for 15 an hour to start.min wage is like 10.50 or something.if min wage goes up to 15 we arent going to start hiring at 20 we are still going to pay them 15.now they will be slaving away for min wage.the boss isnt going to take a huge hit on payroll.someone is probably getting laid off.i got hired 10 years ago and it took me foever to make decent money.now some new guy will get hired and instantly make what took me 5 years of raises to get to.on paper a raise for the bottom rung of workers is a nice idea but in reality it screws the guys who make a few bucks more than min and screws small business owners big time
But it gets votes from idiots, and really that's what matters.
 

Banchan

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Can you tell me how many people work full time for minimum wage, or what percentage of the Ontarian workforce are TFW's?

The Ontario unemployment rate is also low which suggests, there's no issue with people taking jobs.
Maybe if you went to college you wouldn't be asking stupid questions.

If you allow businesses to hire people that they can pay less than minimum wage to and there' an untapped resource of billions of these people, would minimum wage ever increase? Therefore, does this program not act as a means to keep minimum wage low ? This hurts everyone who works a minimum wage job because if they won't do it for 11.60 there are millions of people in the phillippines who will.
 

Banchan

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I have been saying this to the dummys at work for a while.we hire guys for 15 an hour to start.min wage is like 10.50 or something.if min wage goes up to 15 we arent going to start hiring at 20 we are still going to pay them 15.now they will be slaving away for min wage.the boss isnt going to take a huge hit on payroll.someone is probably getting laid off.i got hired 10 years ago and it took me foever to make decent money.now some new guy will get hired and instantly make what took me 5 years of raises to get to.on paper a raise for the bottom rung of workers is a nice idea but in reality it screws the guys who make a few bucks more than min and screws small business owners big time
This happens all the time. Don't blame this on the government, blame it on the megarich companies who complain of labour shortage because they don't want to pay employees what they are worth.

Tim Horton's barista might not require an education but It's a shitty job that no one but tfw are willing to do for 11.60.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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If you allow businesses to hire people that they can pay less than minimum wage to and there' an untapped resource of billions of these people, would minimum wage ever increase?
There's no need for it to increase. A minimum wage job isn't something to aspire to.

Therefore, does this program not act as a means to keep minimum wage low ?
No, not really. It's not a coincidence that the province with the highest minimum wage is also the province with the most minimum wage employees. You inventing a TFW problem has nothing to do with the outcome associated with raising the minimum wage.
 

Banchan

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But it gets votes from idiots, and really that's what matters.
Low income people pay little to no tax and often rely on government assistance. So you're not fine with these people being a burden on benefits and you don't want them to earn more. So what should we do to get them off government assistance? Raising the minimum wage in theory is to help these people help themselves.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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So what should we do to get them off government assistance?
Stop offering it. The concept of social assistance is based entirely on the concept that people are incapable of taking care of themselves.
 

jason73

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This happens all the time. Don't blame this on the government, blame it on the megarich companies who complain of labour shortage because they don't want to pay employees what they are worth.

Tim Horton's barista might not require an education but It's a shitty job that no one but tfw are willing to do for 11.60.
Even though there are a lot of tfw there is by far more canadians working there.its not like tim hortons would have to close if the Filipinos went home
 

jason73

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Low income people pay little to no tax and often rely on government assistance. So you're not fine with these people being a burden on benefits and you don't want them to earn more. So what should we do to get them off government assistance? Raising the minimum wage in theory is to help these people help themselves.
How is it getting them off govt assistance if they start getting laid off due to increased min wage?
 

Greenbean

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The rich have really been backed into a corner this time boys. They're gonna have to share the wealth. Their hands are tied. Before long they'll be living amongst common folk. Gov should have just spared everyone's time and bumped it to an even 50 an hr and called it good. Everyone would be driving exotic cars and making bank.
 

Banchan

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There's no need for it to increase. A minimum wage job isn't something to aspire to.



No, not really. It's not a coincidence that the province with the highest minimum wage is also the province with the most minimum wage employees. You inventing a TFW problem has nothing to do with the outcome associated with raising the minimum wage.
It has everything to do with Tfw.
Tim Hortons: The Canadian icon Canadians won't work for


Tim Hortons is a Canadian icon a great number of Canadians don’t want to work for. It’s not just Timmies that’s having trouble finding domestic workers, of course. Across the country, restaurants complain they can’t fill openings. Much of the focus has rightly been on the question of whether restaurants should be paying more to attract Canadian workers. But at the core of the issue is a problem that’s been mostly overlooked: Many restaurant chains now rely on a business model based on blanketing the landscape with locations in order to generate growth. It’s a fundamentally flawed strategy, and Tim Hortons is only the most obvious example.

You can see this play out by looking at the chain’s same-stores sales figure, which reflects the performance of only those stores that have been open for at least 13 months. It’s a handy measure that lets investors peer through all that dust from new-store construction to gauge the underlying health of a chain. In the case of Tim Hortons, average same-store sales have been deteriorating for years. In its most recent quarter, Tim Hortons posted overall sales growth in Canada of five per cent. But same-store sales grew just 1.6 per cent. Were it not for the 160-odd new stores added over the previous 12 months, Tim Hortons sales and profits would likely have been considerably less.

Tim Hortons’ chief coffee slinger knows he has a problem. In February, while unveiling a new growth plan, Caira warned that opening more stores can’t be the company’s only path to growth. More product innovation is needed, he said, and he vowed that Tim Hortons’ long-struggling expansion into the U.S. would finally start to pay off, with profits rolling in by 2018.

Then, to no one’s surprise, Caira announced another massive round of expansion: 500 more stores in Canada over the next five years. (The chain already operates 3,600 locations here, almost all of them owned by franchisees, up by half from a decade ago.) The message was clear: The old growth strategy may be broke, but while we fix it, here’s another restaurant 500 m closer to wherever you happen to be right now.

Now here’s why this matters to the TFW debate. A growth model that relies on opening vast numbers of new stores every year also relies on nearly unfettered access to cheap labour to keep profit margins from getting crushed. Tim Hortons has regularly said as much in its annual reports, in the section where it lists all the potential risks to its business: Any labour shortage due to “the cessation or limitation of access to federal or provincial labour programs, including the temporary foreign worker program,” could lead to declining revenues, profits and brand reputation.

In the past, Tim Hortons has said it employs around 4,500 temporary foreign workers, equal to about five per cent of its 100,000-strong workforce. That may not seem like a lot, but think of that temporary labour force as a release valve when local labour markets overheat with the addition of new stores. Then multiply it by all the other chains pursuing a similar strategy. You quickly arrive at an industry dependent on TFWs to fuel its exponential expansion. The question is: Since when did it become the job of government to subsidize flawed business models?

Tl/Dr businesses like Tim Horton's makes profits by saturating the market with franchises. The model is one which cannot be indefinitely supported as existing stores lose revenue because the market is over saturated with franchises. One way to offset costs and growing losses for stores is using tfw whom they can pay less and obtain secondary incomes through their food, board and handling of applications.
 

Banchan

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How is it getting them off govt assistance if they start getting laid off due to increased min wage?
Who is getting laid off? Has anyone at your work been laid off? If so he can make $15 h at Tim's.
 

Banchan

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Even though there are a lot of tfw there is by far more canadians working there.its not like tim hortons would have to close if the Filipinos went home
Exactly. They don't have to hire any Filipinos but that they are keeps wages low. The whole point of raising the wages will make it less attractive for these mega rich companies to increase their profit by hiring tfw when they could offer better pay and attract a domestic workforce.
 

Greenbean

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It has everything to do with Tfw.
Tim Hortons: The Canadian icon Canadians won't work for


Tim Hortons is a Canadian icon a great number of Canadians don’t want to work for. It’s not just Timmies that’s having trouble finding domestic workers, of course. Across the country, restaurants complain they can’t fill openings. Much of the focus has rightly been on the question of whether restaurants should be paying more to attract Canadian workers. But at the core of the issue is a problem that’s been mostly overlooked: Many restaurant chains now rely on a business model based on blanketing the landscape with locations in order to generate growth. It’s a fundamentally flawed strategy, and Tim Hortons is only the most obvious example.

You can see this play out by looking at the chain’s same-stores sales figure, which reflects the performance of only those stores that have been open for at least 13 months. It’s a handy measure that lets investors peer through all that dust from new-store construction to gauge the underlying health of a chain. In the case of Tim Hortons, average same-store sales have been deteriorating for years. In its most recent quarter, Tim Hortons posted overall sales growth in Canada of five per cent. But same-store sales grew just 1.6 per cent. Were it not for the 160-odd new stores added over the previous 12 months, Tim Hortons sales and profits would likely have been considerably less.

Tim Hortons’ chief coffee slinger knows he has a problem. In February, while unveiling a new growth plan, Caira warned that opening more stores can’t be the company’s only path to growth. More product innovation is needed, he said, and he vowed that Tim Hortons’ long-struggling expansion into the U.S. would finally start to pay off, with profits rolling in by 2018.

Then, to no one’s surprise, Caira announced another massive round of expansion: 500 more stores in Canada over the next five years. (The chain already operates 3,600 locations here, almost all of them owned by franchisees, up by half from a decade ago.) The message was clear: The old growth strategy may be broke, but while we fix it, here’s another restaurant 500 m closer to wherever you happen to be right now.

Now here’s why this matters to the TFW debate. A growth model that relies on opening vast numbers of new stores every year also relies on nearly unfettered access to cheap labour to keep profit margins from getting crushed. Tim Hortons has regularly said as much in its annual reports, in the section where it lists all the potential risks to its business: Any labour shortage due to “the cessation or limitation of access to federal or provincial labour programs, including the temporary foreign worker program,” could lead to declining revenues, profits and brand reputation.

In the past, Tim Hortons has said it employs around 4,500 temporary foreign workers, equal to about five per cent of its 100,000-strong workforce. That may not seem like a lot, but think of that temporary labour force as a release valve when local labour markets overheat with the addition of new stores. Then multiply it by all the other chains pursuing a similar strategy. You quickly arrive at an industry dependent on TFWs to fuel its exponential expansion. The question is: Since when did it become the job of government to subsidize flawed business models?

Tl/Dr businesses like Tim Horton's makes profits by saturating the market with franchises. The model is one which cannot be indefinitely supported as existing stores lose revenue because the market is over saturated with franchises. One way to offset costs and growing losses for stores is using tfw whom they can pay less and obtain secondary incomes through their food, board and handling of applications.
If a company is operating within the law, and the law suddenly changes, was it a flawed business model? i guess the same could be said for any business in existence.

What about this site? Everyone screamed that the sky was falling when net neutrality was repealed. If companies decide to throttle traffic here or hide it from the public, it must be a flawed business model.

What if fried foods become outlawed? I'm seeing a whole lot of flawed business models out there...
 

Banchan

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Stop offering it. The concept of social assistance is based entirely on the concept that people are incapable of taking care of themselves.
You can't because like I mentioned there are truly people who benefit from this program such as people who can't find daycare or a personal care worker for sick family member, that will keep those people out of the workforce and there is a genuine shortage of these. Someone to pour coffee and flip burgers? There's no shortage if they offer decent pay which they don't want to do.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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You can't because like I mentioned there are truly people who benefit from this program such as people who can't find daycare or a personal care worker for sick family member, that will keep those people out of the workforce and there is a genuine shortage of these.
No one benefits from the TFW program.
 

jason73

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Fuckin vutu lol only vutu can make a thread about tim hortons racist against filipinos