General Let's face it: Trump's "wall" is a colossal waste of money (hot take)

[Ted Williams' head]

Like that former Mexican president said, you can build a 20 foot wall, they're just going to come over it with a 20 foot ladder.

Or as a lot do, just come under the wall through tunnels. You can build a 100 foot wall, it doesn't matter if they're just going under it. Or they'll continue to be smuggled across the border. Or they'll just come legally and overstay their VISAs.

What Trump needs to do is acknowledge that illegal immigrants are going to get into America, and focus his resources and remove them when they do with stricter rules.

Take that money you were going to use on a wall and offer cash rewards for tips leading to the deportation of illegals. Money is the greatest motivator behind sex, so if someone knows they can make money from anonymously reporting illegals, ICE is going to be VERY busy.

Continue to go after businesses who employ illegals with heavy fines and sanctions.

Make it so that if you're caught illegally living in America, you're deported and you are forever disqualified from ever legally immigrating or visiting America.

And of course, unconstitutional DACA MUST be abolished.

 

[jason73]

if a wall can keep the whitewalkers out for 8000 years it should work on some illegals

 

[member 3289]

Or they'll just come legally and overstay their VISAs.

This is exactly what's happening.

Continue to go after businesses who employ illegals with heavy fines and sanctions.

This would cut illegal immigration drastically. Of course there are ways to do it, like being stricter with the distribution of ITIN numbers, cracking down on employers' use of independent contractors, or creating a federal employee database, the latter of which won't happen because Republitards will scream "BIG GOVERNMENT!!! SOCIALISM!!!!"

Meanwhile major corporations continue to pay illegal immigrants under the table and hide it.

Yes, prices might go up a little at first if you crack down on illegal employment, but I'm sure the backlog of illegals from shithole countries abusing public hospitals/emergency rooms for their medical care would give us a way to offset that.

 

[MMAHAWK]

Like that former Mexican president said, you can build a 20 foot wall, they're just going to come over it with a 20 foot ladder.

Or as a lot do, just come under the wall through tunnels. You can build a 100 foot wall, it doesn't matter if they're just going under it. Or they'll continue to be smuggled across the border. Or they'll just come legally and overstay their VISAs.

What Trump needs to do is acknowledge that illegal immigrants are going to get into America, and focus his resources and remove them when they do with stricter rules.

Take that money you were going to use on a wall and offer cash rewards for tips leading to the deportation of illegals. Money is the greatest motivator behind sex, so if someone knows they can make money from anonymously reporting illegals, ICE is going to be VERY busy.

Continue to go after businesses who employ illegals with heavy fines and sanctions.

Make it so that if you're caught illegally living in America, you're deported and you are forever disqualified from ever legally immigrating or visiting America.

And of course, unconstitutional DACA MUST be abolished.

Liberals in America have been so dishonest about immigration I’m convinced this is the take because they’re deathly afraid it will work. If they thought it would fail they’d be pushing to do it to tell trump I told you so.

 

[Banchan]

Like that former Mexican president said, you can build a 20 foot wall, they're just going to come over it with a 20 foot ladder.

Or as a lot do, just come under the wall through tunnels. You can build a 100 foot wall, it doesn't matter if they're just going under it. Or they'll continue to be smuggled across the border. Or they'll just come legally and overstay their VISAs.

What Trump needs to do is acknowledge that illegal immigrants are going to get into America, and focus his resources and remove them when they do with stricter rules.

Take that money you were going to use on a wall and offer cash rewards for tips leading to the deportation of illegals. Money is the greatest motivator behind sex, so if someone knows they can make money from anonymously reporting illegals, ICE is going to be VERY busy.

Continue to go after businesses who employ illegals with heavy fines and sanctions.

Make it so that if you're caught illegally living in America, you're deported and you are forever disqualified from ever legally immigrating or visiting America.

And of course, unconstitutional DACA MUST be abolished.

Decriminalizing drugs would probably help as well.

 

[Coast]

The Berlin wall worked.

It was much smaller though, 66 miles or something, had barbed wire on the top and manned towers.

If trump wants to keep all but the most determined of immigrants out, then I imagine he would need something similar to the Berlin wall. The costs would be astronomical though.

 

[silentsinger]

If the Mehicans built a mile long tunnel to get whatshisface out of prison, they'll deal with some silly wall. It's pointless.

 

[MMAHAWK]

If the Mehicans built a mile long tunnel to get whatshisface out of prison, they'll deal with some silly wall. It's pointless.

Sure a billionaire drug lord may be able to get around it. If it stops 30% is that not a huge improvement?

 

[silentsinger]

Sure a billionaire drug lord may be able to get around it. If it stops 30% is that not a huge improvement?

Alright, smartarse. I get your point

 

[Banchan]

Sure a billionaire drug lord may be able to get around it. If it stops 30% is that not a huge improvement?

If you decriminalize drugs there would be no billionaire Mexican druglords. That money can get syphened back into maintaining your wall.

 

[MMAHAWK]

If you decriminalize drugs there would be no billionaire Mexican druglords. That money can get syphened back into maintaining your wall.

Can you explain why making all drugs legal will stop people from buying drugs?

 

[member 3289]

The Berlin wall worked.

Now that you mention it, the 38th parallel is doing a hell of a job at stopping immigration as well. 4-5 people a year is pretty fucking impressive.

 

[Pitbull9]

Welfare is also a waste of money same with food stamps. Imo to get those your situation should be real real bad. I've seen guys with racks of 100s that get food stamps and welfare

 

[Banchan]

Can you explain why making all drugs legal will stop people from buying drugs?

It wouldn't stop people from buying them but it would stop the illegal trade from having a monopoly on the profits. Instead of criminals becoming billionaires, your government can make a profit. You're already stiffed with the costs of dealing with addiction and the illegal funneling and sale so why not collect the profits to offset the costs and cut out the foreigners who bring it in illegally?

 

[MMAHAWK]

It wouldn't stop people from buying them but it would stop the illegal trade from having a monopoly on the profits. Instead of criminals becoming billionaires, your government can make a profit. You're already stiffed with the costs of dealing with addiction and the illegal funneling and sale so why not collect the profits to offset the costs and cut out the foreigners who bring it in illegally?

Perhaps but I’m not completely comfortable with being able to buy heroine and meth at stores. And unless that’s the case wouldn’t it give more insentive to get your drugs into the country to sell undercutting the huge tax?. Weed now has a 28% tax in California. What you could get off the street for $40 now costs roughly $62 in stores.

 

[Banchan]

Perhaps but I’m not completely comfortable with being able to by heroine and meth at stores. And unless that’s the case wouldn’t it give more insensitive to get your drugs into the country to sell undercutting the huge tax?. Weed now has a 28% tax in California. What you could get off the street for $40 now costs roughly $62 in stores.

That's all the more reason to decriminalize them. $40 but you risk paying a fine and going to jail. With money rolling in from profits they can afford to crack down on illegal trade extra hard.

They did studies and found very few people who currently don't use drugs would do them if they became legal. People who do them illegally are going to do them no matter what so if you make them more accessible it still drives down the demand and price.

 

[MMAHAWK]

That's all the more reason to decriminalize them. $40 but you risk paying a fine and going to jail. With money rolling in from profits they can afford to crack down on illegal trade extra hard.

They did studies and found very few people who currently don't use drugs would do them if they became legal. People who do them illegally are going to do them no matter what so if you make them more accessible it still drives down the demand and price.

As long as the public doesn’t have to contribute a dollar to rehabilitation and extra medical assistance then ok.
I don’t believe those surveys. Someone calls and says would you smoke meth. Easy answer is no. Go to a party and it’s being used openly it’s a much harder No. I’ve already had plenty of People tell me they’re much more open to smoking weed because it’s legal.

 

[Banchan]

As long as the public doesn’t have to contribute a dollar to rehabilitation and extra medical assistance then ok.
I don’t believe those surveys. Someone calls and says would you smoke meth. Easy answer is no. Go to a party and it’s being used openly it’s a much harder No. I’ve already had plenty of People tell me they’re much more open to smoking weed because it’s legal.

Well currently the government is making nothing from the illegalization but spending a load to deal with the problems it creates. It's those druglords that create extreme violence on both sides that get rich. If the government could cut them out then at least it would create revenue to deal with the issues it creates while driving the lucrative business on the illegal side down.

 

[Coast]

Now that you mention it, the 38th parallel is doing a hell of a job at stopping immigration as well. 4-5 people a year is pretty fucking impressive.

The Berlin wall was impassable, or at least just about, people had to be creative to get over it, like building their own hot air balloons.

I think the wall is a bad idea and heres why.

It's expensive.
Mexico will not pay for it.
The next President will knock it down anyways.

Its just one big, expensive, PR disaster that will be pulled down in the end anyway.

 

[Lukewarm Carl]

Continue to go after businesses who employ illegals with heavy fines and sanctions.

Annnnnd just like that 80% of farms and small construction businesses in America go under and the other 20% are crippled.


I agree with the fines and sanctions though. But certain industries would be in a nightmare for a while until they figured out how to exist again.