After watching Khabib tonight

[La Paix]

I think Khabib wins, but you've gone way too far. Using the Diaz fight to predict how Conor would do against Khabib is like using the Al fight to predict how Khabib would do against Conor. Diaz was able to deploy a strategy of using his face as a punching bag & remain standing until Conor gassed himself out unloading on him. Conor is one of the best fighters I've seen & his sense of timing & distance is the best I've seen in MMA. His power has the ability to make guys who need to pressure him really question if it's worth it. Khabib is a different animal than Eddie Alvarez, but if Conor/Khabib resembles Conor/EA I'll have a lighter wallet but I won't be shocked

Nice. The biggest difference with comparing Diaz to Khabib is Diaz has way more options in there while Khabib is a specialist. Diaz won that fight (first one) with striking and durability that set up his sub finish. We all know what Khabins plan will most likely be but the question is can Conor or anyone else stop him.

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

I think Khabib wins, but you've gone way too far. Using the Diaz fight to predict how Conor would do against Khabib is like using the Al fight to predict how Khabib would do against Conor. Diaz was able to deploy a strategy of using his face as a punching bag & remain standing until Conor gassed himself out unloading on him. Conor is one of the best fighters I've seen & his sense of timing & distance is the best I've seen in MMA. His power has the ability to make guys who need to pressure him really question if it's worth it. Khabib is a different animal than Eddie Alvarez, but if Conor/Khabib resembles Conor/EA I'll have a lighter wallet but I won't be shocked

Fair enough, but good on you for admitting the obvious the Khabib wins. I bring up Nate because Conor struggles with a good not great fighter, that is not a good recipe to complete with an alltime legend in the making like Khabib.

Styles make fights, Conor is the easiest fight for Khabib of any guy in the top 5, and most guys in the top 15.

 

[aghof]

Ok now that your expected strawman is out of the way give me an actual answer on how Khabib closes the distance so he can get Conor down.

low single from the outside like he was doing against Al might work

 

[Truck Party]

Fair enough, but good on you for admitting the obvious the Khabib wins. I bring up Nate because Conor struggles with a good not great fighter, that is not a good recipe to complete with an alltime legend in the making like Khabib.

Styles make fights, Conor is the easiest fight for Khabib of any guy in the top 5, and most guys in the top 15.

in the end it doesn't really matter, they're all just keeping the belt warm until a non staph infected Motown Phenom takes the belt

 

[La Paix]

Strawman blah blah, I think you are the one reaching here.

Conor literally has a 10 second chance to punch Conor that is all, and een if lands, Khabib is going no where. Please convince others, pleas do, so I can make a huge amount of loot on Khabib.

Hurry hurry, get on the streets and shout it loud

Tries to make a joke about strawman then continues to further strawman me. Lol.

A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man."

Dude I'm not reaching for anything or trying to give you grief. I asked for your opinion on something and you go off on a tangent assuming that I'm out on the streets preaching how Conor is gonna one punch Khabib, give it rest already.

Show me somewhere on the forum where I even give a prediction on who wins. What would you say if I told you I won won money after betting on Diaz vs MgC 1?

If you want to discuss MMA on the forums here that's cool, this is why I quoted you asking a very simple question. If you just want to posture around and try to assume my every position with your bullshit then I got it, I'll have adult discussions about fights with other members.

 

[Filthy]

But the question that no one is asking is.....will there be a dolly in the ring...that would shift the odds dramatically, imo

Khabib is going to rag-dolly Conor until he quits.

 

[La Paix]

low single from the outside like he was doing against Al might work

I also think this will be his go to early on as hes so good at it but it's not the best approach IMO. I mean the guys obviously super talented so I'm surprised he hasn't picked up a solid jab entry or anything at all to better himself in securing the tale down. Last night he went 6/15 and started to look very hittable in there.

 

[Dick Niaz]

I’m not naive to think Conor can stop the takedown, but people are acting like Khabib doesn’t get hit, when he has shown repeatedly to be very hittable and keep his hands low. Khabib only has one first round stoppage in the UFC. At the very least, Conor would have the beginning of the fight and the start of the second round to touch Khabib up. Anyone who doesn’t think that Conor doesn’t have a chance to win in those exchanges is as ignorant as anyone who thinks he can stop the takedown. This comes down to Khabib’s chin vs Conor’s ability to survive on the ground until the beginning of another round.

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

Tries to make a joke about strawman then continues to further strawman me. Lol.

A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man."

Dude I'm not reaching for anything or trying to give you grief. I asked for your opinion on something and you go off on a tangent assuming that I'm out on the streets preaching how Conor is gonna one punch Khabib, give it rest already.

Show me somewhere on the forum where I even give a prediction on who wins. What would you say if I told you I won won money after betting on Diaz vs MgC 1?

If you want to discuss MMA on the forums here that's cool, this is why I quoted you asking a very simple question. If you just want to posture around and try to assume my every position with your bullshit then I got it, I'll have adult discussions about fights with other members.

You can be snarky all you want but I think you are a fool if you think Khabib loses to Conor. You have nothing, you give no breakdown on how Conor wins, but ask other to break it down for you.

Pleas convince more people like yourself, so I can make a lot of money on Khabib

 

[Filthy]

Nice. The biggest difference with comparing Diaz to Khabib is Diaz has way more options in there while Khabib is a specialist. Diaz won that fight (first one) with striking and durability that set up his sub finish. We all know what Khabins plan will most likely be but the question is can Conor or anyone else stop him.

Khabib closes like Mendez closed.
But doesn't gas like Mendez gassed.

 

[aghof]

I also think this will be his go to early on as hes so good at it but it's not the best approach IMO. I mean the guys obviously super talented so I'm surprised he hasn't picked up a solid jab entry or anything at all to better himself in securing the tale down. Last night he went 6/15 and started to look very hittable in there.

yep, Conor's distance management might make that too hard. I thought Nate wore Conor down in the clinch in the first fight (and Conor clearly trained for that in the second fight, along with leg kicks). It might be Khabib's best strategy to get it into the clinch as quickly as possible.

 

[La Paix]

You can be snarky all you want but I think you are a fool if you think Khabib loses to Conor. You have nothing, you give no breakdown on how Conor wins, but ask other to break it down for you.

Pleas convince more people like yourself, so I can make a lot of money on Khabib

Calling you out on your habitual strawman isn't snarky ( I didn't try to insult you by saying you're a fool due to difference of opinion that's for sure), it's in an effort to get a decent reply to continue on with a conversation. If you would've asked me my breakdown I may have given it but as it is I asked first in reply to your post and you still haven't replied ( I even have you numbers options). And once again you've ended a post assuming my position.

If you really can't see that when I ask " what's your opinion on this matter?" that you have completely spoken on my behalf and done your best to mock me for this false position then as I said I'll just talk to others.

DasRy

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

Calling you out on your habitual strawman isn't snarky ( I didn't try to insult you by saying you're a fool due to difference of opinion that's for sure), it's in an effort to get a decent reply to continue on with a conversation. If you would've asked me my breakdown I may have given it but as it is I asked first in reply to your post and you still haven't replied ( I even have you numbers options). And once again you've ended a post assuming my position.

If you really can't see that when I ask " what's your opinion on this matter?" that you have completely spoken on my behalf and done your best to mock me for this false position then as I said I'll just talk to others.

DasRy

Dude, you like typing a lot but making no sense.

You give no breakdown at all, look at your posts and words and you can't expalin how COnor beats Khabib. All you can say is "how does Khabib take him down without being punched"

What the fuck LOL, have you never seen Khabib fight before? The real issue is how does Conor stay on the feet, he does not. ALl he has is 10 seconds to get a punch in that wont happen.

Please convince others, so I can make money on Khabib. So get out there and rock the boat and show us how Conor wins so I can make money on the other guy lol

 

[La Paix]

Khabib closes like Mendez closed.
But doesn't gas like Mendez gassed.

You think so? Check out these gifs.

Mendea using effective striking in short combos to get Conor backing up. I can't recall Khabib doing this but I may be wrong.

Mendea draws Conor in then changes levels to get ahold of his hips. Iirc the vast majority of Khabins TDs are singles from way out. Chad also secures the TD and gets pretty high up early while Khabibs seems to prefer to inch his way up from the feet.

Chad fighting hard for the hips here turning the corner to then lift up Conor and put him down.

Chad also is a serious threat with his hands even through there short Trex arms. Imo Chad and Khabib style of TD is very different.

 

[La Paix]

Dude, you like typing a lot but making no sense.

You give no breakdown at all, look at your posts and words and you can't expalin how COnor beats Khabib. All you can say is "how does Khabib take him down without being punched"

What the fuck LOL, have you never seen Khabib fight before? The real issue is how does Conor stay on the feet, he does not. ALl he has is 10 seconds to get a punch in that wont happen.

Please convince others, so I can make money on Khabib. So get out there and rock the boat and show us how Conor wins so I can make money on the other guy lol

If you'd take the time to actually inquire what my opinion is instead of trying to tell me what it is I may be able to tell you but you know...

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

If you'd take the time to actually inquire what my opinion is instead of trying to tell me what it is I may be able to tell you but you know...

Translation, you still aint' saying how COnor will win

Got it

 

[La Paix]

Translation, you still aint' saying how COnor will win

Got it

Last time I'm addressing you in here in an effort to have a discussion on MMA. Post where I said Conor would win and I'll follow up with how I think he will.

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

Last time I'm addressing you in here in an effort to have a discussion on MMA. Post where I said Conor would win and I'll follow up with how I think he will.

Post how Conor keeps it on the feet against Khabib when superior wrestler and guys with superior TDD like Barboza could not. I am not saying Barboza is a standout wrestler, but his TDD is way better than Conor. Michael Johnson and Al Iaquinta are very good wrestlers, better than Conor.

You have typed a lot but failed to actually spell anything out to be honest.

 

[Filthy]

You think so? Check out these gifs.

Mendea using effective striking in short combos to get Conor backing up. I can't recall Khabib doing this but I may be wrong.

Mendea draws Conor in then changes levels to get ahold of his hips. Iirc the vast majority of Khabins TDs are singles from way out. Chad also secures the TD and gets pretty high up early while Khabibs seems to prefer to inch his way up from the feet.

Chad fighting hard for the hips here turning the corner to then lift up Conor and put him down.

Chad also is a serious threat with his hands even through there short Trex arms. Imo Chad and Khabib style of TD is very different.

Chad and Khabib throw the same 'winging it' wrestler punches. Conor may have a slightly better chance of landing a counter left, but that's about it. Once Khabib puts Conor on the ground, he grinds Conor's soul to dust.

 

[La Paix]

Chad and Khabib throw the same 'winging it' wrestler punches. Conor may have a slightly better chance of landing a counter left, but that's about it. Once Khabib puts Conor on the ground, he grinds Conor's soul to dust.

I dunno man, Chad is known for having real KO power standing and good GnP as well. Khabib isn't knocking out anyone on the feet, can we agree on that? If so then there is no threat standing so guys can structure the camp and game plan around TD and trying to make him pay for every failed attempt. So Chad has more of a style where he comes in swinging, secures the TD then doesn't mind letting the other guy up so he can rinse and repeat it over and over. Khabib shoots in from waaaaay out and once he gets them its another time until the bell rings or somehow the guy manages to escape which is rare.

 

[Jonny Quest]

 

[SCADA]

Conor needs to fix his cardio.

 

[Filthy]

I dunno man, Chad is known for having real KO power standing and good GnP as well. Khabib isn't knocking out anyone on the feet, can we agree on that? If so then there is no threat standing so guys can structure the camp and game plan around TD and trying to make him pay for every failed attempt. So Chad has more of a style where he comes in swinging, secures the TD then doesn't mind letting the other guy up so he can rinse and repeat it over and over. Khabib shoots in from waaaaay out and once he gets them its another time until the bell rings or somehow the guy manages to escape which is rare.

Let's also agree that it takes more than 'a comp focused on TDD' to stay up or get up against Khabib. Al has excellent striking and wrestling, Conor may have better striking, but not to the extent that Al has better wrestling. So we're back to talking about how an excellent striker has 'a chance' against a world-class grappler.

I'll take the grappler. Khabib can handle strikers on the level of Edson Barboza, Michael Johnson, Al Iaquinta, and RDA.
Conor is a threat, but not as big of a threat as people are making it out to be.

 

[La Paix]

Let's also agree that it takes more than 'a comp focused on TDD' to stay up or get up against Khabib. Al has excellent striking and wrestling, Conor may have better striking, but not to the extent that Al has better wrestling. So we're back to talking about how an excellent striker has 'a chance' against a world-class grappler.

I'll take the grappler. Khabib can handle strikers on the level of Edson Barboza, Michael Johnson, Al Iaquinta, and RDA.
Conor is a threat, but not as big of a threat as people are making it out to be.

Seems like an almost fair and sane kind of thinking.

Both guys are great at their specialty. Whoever can implement their game plan first wins IMO. I do love me some very definable style vs style fights especially at the highest levels though. Too often we get wrestle boxer A vs wrestle boxer B. I love seeing how fights like Coleman vs Smith, Waterman vs Cro Cop, Reem vs Lesnar and hopefully Conor vs Khabib play out.

 

[AJSR]

I think there are question marks around McGregor's physical state that complicate the situation at this point. It's fairly clear he has been enjoying his recreational activities over the past couple of years, and personally I think that we have already seen the results of this with the conditioning issues he has shown in recent fights.

However, assuming McGregor makes it to the cage in something close to peak physical condition I would fancy him to win this fight for a couple of main reasons:

1) In a general sense McGregor has proven himself to be an elite level fighter while Khabib has never really fought anyone at the very top level. RDA is his best win but I think RDA improved dramatically after that fight. Barboza was well ranked when they fought but I don't think you could consider him elite. Outside of that he hasn't really fought anyone. I think McGregor is a major step up in talent and has proved he can operate at a level that Khabib just hasn't fought at to date.

2) There seems to be an impression that Khabib's fights hit the ground immediately and stay there but this is just not the case. While obviously he has a very strong takedown game, it isn't absolutely untouchable and his takedowns stats reflect that. When you actually look back through his fights, he spends more time in striking exchanges than people seem to realise. I think McGregor's grappling is underrated, but more than that I feel like his distance management could keep this fight standing long enough for McGregor to capitalise on the MASSIVE striking disparity. I think the Alvarez fight is a clear blueprint here. Ultimately, I am 100% convinced that if a fight between McGregor and Khabib stayed standing for as long as all of Khabib's recent fights have it would end in a McGregor KO or TKO almost every time.

Khabib's route to victory is obvious, and there are major question marks around McGregor's lifestyle and its affect upon his physical condition, but if he showed up in shape I would pick McGregor to win. I also think Max would beat Khabib and I would love to see that fight made in the near future.