Eddies Alvarez Owned Conor

[Ted Williams' head]

Trash talk Conor is the current king, but in terms of actual fighting, he is far from the King, last time I checked it's the fighting ability that matters. PPV sales, trash talk, that is the biznis side, true MMA, the guy has a long way to go to even be top 5 p4p right now, alltime rank is way lower

Truth

GSP greatest for skill. Conor greatest for excitement.

Both two division champs, dominate fairly squarely no steroids, unlike Jones and Silva.

GSP has whipped every guy he's ever fought.

Conor breaks PPV records and has Performance bonuses in every UFC fight except the Holloway one, where he tore his knee.

When you talk about GSP and Conor, you're talking about greatness. There is more than one path to greatness, both achieved greatness through different paths.

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

GSP greatest for skill. Conor greatest for excitement.

Both two division champs, dominate fairly squarely no steroids, unlike Jones and Silva.

GSP has whipped every guy he's ever fought.

Conor breaks PPV records and has Performance bonuses in every UFC fight except the Holloway one, where he tore his knee.

When you talk about GSP and Conor, you're talking about greatness. There is more than one path to greatness, both achieved greatness through different paths.

Conor is not most exciting very exciting in his own right but there are a lot of guys as exciting if not more so in the cage.

Prime Anderson
Pettis in the WEC and when he got the belt int he UFC
Prime Condit
Gegard Mousasi
Charles Oliveira
Ubereem
Wonderboy
Pride Wandy
Pride Shogun
Yair Rodriguez
The Diaz brothers
Jones
Prime Vitor
Prime BJ Penn

I would put GSP 3rd alltime as of now, so he's up there. Conor is the PPV king and would also rank pretty high in excitment, but in pure P4P alltime rankings, not top 40 yet. If he actually fights and beat Khabib, does not have to be a finish, even a win by dec, I would vault Conor to top 30, maybe top 25. So if he get's the wins and earns it in the cage, I will be more than happy to give him a climb in the alltime rankings. DasRy

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

@Khabib Fears Conor

LOL, you can keep giving all the drunks you want, I see you are sore about truth, bottom line your boy Conor has a lot of work to do before he can even start creeping into an y alltime GOAT list, we ain't talking about PPV bs, we talking about fighting, let's see if he can even beat Khabib and get a measly 2 or 3 title defenses. I don't think he is even close to good enough too

 

[Ted Williams' head]

@Khabib Fears Conor

LOL, you can keep giving all the drunks you want, I see you are sore about truth, bottom line your boy Conor has a lot of work to do before he can even start creeping into an y alltime GOAT list, we ain't talking about PPV bs, we talking about fighting, let's see if he can even beat Khabib and get a measly 2 or 3 title defenses. I don't think he is even close to good enough too

lol that was CMNH who drunk'd you, not me.

Becoming a 2-division world champion already puts you above a lot of people. Jones, Anderson, MM, etc, didn't have the gumption to challenge up a division, while Conor ran right into it and did it with tremendous style points.

I agree Conor should come back and fight Khabib, but obviously he has legal shit to take care of first. And Khabib doesn't seem to be interested in a Conor fight - he called out GSP, even though he could make much more money with Conor.

We can talk about title defences, but the reality is the average fan (who makes up the majority of MMA fans) doesn't really give a shit. How many title defences did Floyd Mayweather have? I couldn't tell you, because he would win a belt, vacate the belt, and then win the belt back a few fights later. He didn't care.

If Conor comes back and whips Khabib, and wins some more high profile fights, he'll go down as one of the greatest top in the eyes of most fans. But as it stands now he is already a legend in the sport, even if he never fought again.

 

[La Paix]

Conor is not most exciting very exciting in his own right but there are a lot of guys as exciting if not more so in the cage.

Prime Anderson
Pettis in the WEC and when he got the belt int he UFC
Prime Condit
Gegard Mousasi
Charles Oliveira
Ubereem
Wonderboy
Pride Wandy
Pride Shogun
Yair Rodriguez
The Diaz brothers
Jones
Prime Vitor
Prime BJ Penn

I would put GSP 3rd alltime as of now, so he's up there. Conor is the PPV king and would also rank pretty high in excitment, but in pure P4P alltime rankings, not top 40 yet. If he actually fights and beat Khabib, does not have to be a finish, even a win by dec, I would vault Conor to top 30, maybe top 25. So if he get's the wins and earns it in the cage, I will be more than happy to give him a climb in the alltime rankings. DasRy

P4P is an joke, it's nothing more than a marketing tool or just bro talk for fun. To try and say there's a strong case for top ten P4P (let alone top 40) is strange.

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

lol that was CMNH who drunk'd you, not me.

Becoming a 2-division world champion already puts you above a lot of people. Jones, Anderson, MM, etc, didn't have the gumption to challenge up a division, while Conor ran right into it and did it with tremendous style points.

I agree Conor should come back and fight Khabib, but obviously he has legal shit to take care of first. And Khabib doesn't seem to be interested in a Conor fight - he called out GSP, even though he could make much more money with Conor.

We can talk about title defences, but the reality is the average fan (who makes up the majority of MMA fans) doesn't really give a shit. How many title defences did Floyd Mayweather have? I couldn't tell you, because he would win a belt, vacate the belt, and then win the belt back a few fights later. He didn't care.

If Conor comes back and whips Khabib, and wins some more high profile fights, he'll go down as one of the greatest top in the eyes of most fans. But as it stands now he is already a legend in the sport, even if he never fought again.

You are on an island of your own if you think Conor ranks above Jones or Anderson or MM, only the Conor huggers would speak this way. 2 titles means 0 if you have 0 defenses, that is shameful actually.

LOL if, if if if, if Conor does this you say, he has not done it, you are proving me right just by the fact you have to add if's to it, Jones GSP Fedor Anderson MM all have done it, you dont need to add any ifs to it

Shogun, Matt Hughes, Chuck Liddell, Gegard, Sakuraba Dan Henderson Wanderlei BJ Penn on and on and on, all rank higher alltime than Conor

Again is not even top 40, forget about top 20, not even top 40 yet

Real fans focus on actual fighting in the cage, not dollys thrown when sniffing white stuff

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

P4P is an joke, it's nothing more than a marketing tool or just bro talk for fun. To try and say there's a strong case for top ten P4P (let alone top 40) is strange.

Speak for yourself, P4P is a great way to assess alltime greatness yo

 

[La Paix]

Speak for yourself, P4P is a great way to assess alltime greatness yo

How so? It's litetally fictitious match ups filled with whats ifs. There's seems to be zero facts in the assessments.

 

[Ted Williams' head]

Conor is not most exciting very exciting in his own right but there are a lot of guys as exciting if not more so in the cage.

Prime Anderson
Pettis in the WEC and when he got the belt int he UFC
Prime Condit
Gegard Mousasi
Charles Oliveira
Ubereem
Wonderboy
Pride Wandy
Pride Shogun
Yair Rodriguez
The Diaz brothers
Jones
Prime Vitor
Prime BJ Penn

The proof is in the pudding. Conor earned performance bonuses in every fight he had except for the Holloway one, where he injured his leg. Every fight.

You forget that Anderson laid some real eggs over the years that had people questioning his P4P status at the time. Cote, Thales Leites, Damian Maia... it's hard to imagine Conor fighting so passively.

The only one I can agree with matches Conor is prime Wandy and Shogun, because of their ultra aggressive styles.

But you honestly think Mousasi is as exciting as Conor? LOL I think you're thinking of a few HLs, not the actual fights.

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

How so? It's litetally fictitious match ups filled with whats ifs. There's seems to be zero facts in the assessments.

Nope, there are a ton of facts, you look at what they did in the cage, for how long, against what fighters, you think its fiction that Jones and GSP and Fedor and MM and Aldo have a shit ton of defenses and long reigns,

There is a subjective element to it, but that goes with anything, same subjective talk comes when comparing Jordan to Lebron but the discussion can be had.

We ain't agreeing on this

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

The proof is in the pudding. Conor earned performance bonuses in every fight he had except for the Holloway one, where he injured his leg. Every fight.

You forget that Anderson laid some real eggs over the years that had people questioning his P4P status at the time. Cote, Thales Leites, Damian Maia... it's hard to imagine Conor fighting so passively.

The only one I can agree with matches Conor is prime Wandy and Shogun, because of their ultra aggressive styles.

But you honestly think Mousasi is as exciting as Conor? LOL I think you're thinking of a few HLs, not the actual fights.

Gegard has 38 finishes in 43 fighting, including guys not 1 weightclass up, but 2 weightlcasses up


You seem naive

 

[La Paix]

Nope, there are a ton of facts, you look at what they did in the cage, for how long, against what fighters, you think its fiction that Jones and GSP and Fedor and MM and Aldo have a shit ton of defenses and long reigns,

There is a subjective element to it, but that goes with anything, same subjective talk comes when comparing Jordan to Lebron but the discussion can be had.

We ain't agreeing on this

When you say P4P you're saying "consider all things except size", agree?

 

[Ted Williams' head]

You are on an island of your own if you think Conor ranks above Jones or Anderson or MM, only the Conor huggers would speak this way. 2 titles means 0 if you have 0 defenses, that is shameful actually.

LOL if, if if if, if Conor does this you say, he has not done it, you are proving me right just by the fact you have to add if's to it, Jones GSP Fedor Anderson MM all have done it, you dont need to add any ifs to it

Shogun, Matt Hughes, Chuck Liddell, Gegard, Sakuraba Dan Henderson Wanderlei BJ Penn on and on and on, all rank higher alltime than Conor

Again is not even top 40, forget about top 20, not even top 40 yet

Real fans focus on actual fighting in the cage, not dollys thrown when sniffing white stuff

Anderson and Jones both had more impressive careers, but they were both proven to be steroid cheats, which is something that Conor never was. And MM is dominating a brand new, SHALLOW division after getting run out of 135.

I can add a lot of IFs to Jones Fedor and Anderson. What IF Jones didn't use steroids to beat a 40 year old man? What IF Fedor had to fight the toughest challenges every time out like UFC guys? What IF Anderson did use PEDs?

 

[Ted Williams' head]

Gegard has 38 finishes in 43 fighting, including guys not 1 weightclass up, but 2 weightlcasses up


You seem naive

35 finishes, actually. But finishes are not proof positive of excitement. You can have a boring ass fight for 3 rounds and then see a finish (think: Mir/Crocop).

And even if we were going strictly by finish ratio, Conor has 19 finishes in 21 wins, which is a much higher ratio.

So you basically brought up an argument that proved ME right lol. Good job.

 

[ConorMcGregor NutHugger]

Speak for yourself, P4P is a great way to assess alltime greatness yo

Remember when Ronda was ranked above others in p4p rankings? Good times.

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

When you say P4P you're saying "consider all things except size", agree?

Sure , its always subjective, combo of many factors,

How you dominate your weightclass
The skill level
The duration
The years at peak level
The compitition

Again its subjective, dont mean we have to avoid the topic cuzzo

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

Anderson and Jones both had more impressive careers, but they were both proven to be steroid cheats, which is something that Conor never was. And MM is dominating a brand new, SHALLOW division after getting run out of 135.

I can add a lot of IFs to Jones Fedor and Anderson. What IF Jones didn't use steroids to beat a 40 year old man? What IF Fedor had to fight the toughest challenges every time out like UFC guys? What IF Anderson did use PEDs?

In this sport, you can't use PED failures or else you disqualify everyone. Jones and Anderson beat guys that where roiding, just like Bonds roided but also hit homers' off roiding pitchers. By no means am I saying GSP roided for sure, but even he has some clouds around him, the camp he came from, plus got caught greasing against Penn, plus GSP has what looks like HGH gut, dude has barely any fat yet has a horribly distended abdomen that experts, not me, but experts say looks like HGH gut. Even Fedor I think is clean, but he did fight in Pride with no drug testing.

The only top 10 alltime fighter wtih just about zero cloud of PED's is mighty mouse.

And DC if he beats Stipe

Maybe when MMA cleans up it's act decades from now we will truly have clean fighters, or guys still cheating passing test using tech

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

35 finishes, actually. But finishes are not proof positive of excitement. You can have a boring ass fight for 3 rounds and then see a finish (think: Mir/Crocop).

And even if we were going strictly by finish ratio, Conor has 19 finishes in 21 wins, which is a much higher ratio.

So you basically brought up an argument that proved ME right lol. Good job.

If you think Gegard is not one of the most exciting fighters in the cage, there is no hope for you. Outside the cage he can be funny and also sometimes boring but in the cage, he's one of the most exicting and one of the alltime GOAT's also, I got Gegard top 25 alltime

how many skinny MW's can beat multiple heavyweights all by finishes, ask Mark Hunt what he thinks

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

Remember when Ronda was ranked above others in p4p rankings? Good times.

LOL I never agreed with that bullshit, I never mix womens in a men's rank either, that's dumb when folks do that strange move

 

[Dat Pre-HollyHolm Ronda $]

Conor is not most exciting very exciting in his own right but there are a lot of guys as exciting if not more so in the cage.

Prime Anderson
Pettis in the WEC and when he got the belt int he UFC
Prime Condit
Gegard Mousasi
Charles Oliveira
Ubereem
Wonderboy
Pride Wandy
Pride Shogun
Yair Rodriguez
The Diaz brothers
Jones
Prime Vitor
Prime BJ Penn

I would put GSP 3rd alltime as of now, so he's up there. Conor is the PPV king and would also rank pretty high in excitment, but in pure P4P alltime rankings, not top 40 yet. If he actually fights and beat Khabib, does not have to be a finish, even a win by dec, I would vault Conor to top 30, maybe top 25. So if he get's the wins and earns it in the cage, I will be more than happy to give him a climb in the alltime rankings. DasRy

Prime Anderson would be my most exciting of all time pick. Damn when his
music "Ain't No sunshine" would to start playing I'd get goose bumps man

Who turned out the lights....

And you don't wanna fight....

Dirt gettin tossed in yo' grave, now it's all over...

Preacher said "You was brave," but now it's all over...

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

Prime Anderson would be my most exciting of all time pick. Damn when his
music "Ain't No sunshine" would to start playing I'd get goose bumps man

Who turned out the lights....

And you don't wanna fight....

Dirt gettin tossed in yo' grave, now it's all over...

Preacher said "You was brave," but now it's all over...

Prime Anderson was special, greatest MMA striker ever

 

[Dat Pre-HollyHolm Ronda $]

Prime Anderson was special, greatest MMA striker ever

Yeah sucks the way he wen't out. I guess that makes it even more special

We got to be a witness in that brief time in history!

 

[aghof]

Yeah sucks the way he wen't out. I guess that makes it even more special

We got to be a witness in that brief time in history!

he pulled out the old magic a couple last times in the Bisping fight