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Freeloading Rusty

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The Koch Brothers Commissioned a Survey of Americans and Found Most Like a $15 Minimum Wage, Free College, and Universal Health Care
During the month of July, the marketing and communications group In Pursuit Of — launched by the Koch brothers in 2017– conducted a survey of Americans on a range of issues.

The poll was later written up by RealClearPolitics, which spun the results as favorable to the Koch network. RealClearPolitics noted that on a set of vague values questions, Americans appeared to take the conservative or libertarian side of political arguments. For instance, RealClearPolitics noted that the survey found that 86 percent of Americans said the right to personal property is key to a free and just society. Okay, sure.

But mostly left out of the RealClearPolitics write-up is the fact that the poll also surveyed Americans in detail on a number of issues they felt would help them overcome social barriers, and found that Americans are quite favorable to a set of policies that the Koch network opposes. Where the Koch brothers see government tyranny, most Americans see common-sense solutions to basic problems:

(Ranked by “Very Effective Solution.”) Very Effective Solution Somewhat Effective Solution Not a Solution at All Don’t Know
Lowering taxes and getting government spending under control 55% 31% 9% 5%
Enforcing equal rights for all 53% 31% 10% 7%
Health care reform that puts doctors and patients in charge 50% 33% 8% 10%
Encouraging scientific and technological innovation 49% 36% 7% 8%
Enhanced public safety 44% 41% 7% 8%
Instituting work requirements for welfare programs like food stamps and Medicaid 40% 37% 16% 6%
Stopping government picking winners and losers, and instead letting
individuals decide what products or businesses succeed or fail 40% 34% 11% 16%
Granting families the freedom and means to choose the school that
is the best fit for their child 39% 39% 15% 7%
Preparing ex-offenders to re-enter society as law-abiding and
productive citizens 39% 45% 8% 8%
Ending the cronyism that leads to corporate welfare 37% 35% 10% 18%
Ending harsh sentences for nonviolent, petty crimes 37% 40% 15% 8%
Government-paid college tuition 35% 31% 26% 8%
A $15 minimum wage 35% 30% 28% 6%
Freer trade and the open exchange of goods and services 34% 44% 9% 13%
More regulation of Wall Street 33% 36% 15% 15%
Increasing government assistance for child care 30% 39% 21% 9%
For instance, the poll found that 66 percent of Americans would find “government-paid college tuition” as a “very effective” or “somewhat effective solution” to social barriers, with more than half of those lining up on the “very effective” side.

Americans For Prosperity, the Koch-funded political advocacy organization, campaigned against free college tuition in 2016, just as the idea was becoming a central plank of Bernie Sanders’s presidential campaign. AFP Wisconsin called it a “terrible idea,” while the state director of AFP Colorado called it “pie-in-the-sky.”

A $15 minimum wage was almost as popular in the poll, with 35 percent saying it would be a very effective solution and a further 30 percent saying it would be a somewhat effective solution.

The Kochs, and groups they financially back, have campaigned against minimum wage laws for decades. In 1980, when David Koch ran alongside Ed Clark on the Libertarian Party ticket, aiming to become vice president, their platform included a promise to abolish all minimum wage laws. That project has continued with the groups that the Kochs have funded over the years. Americans for Prosperity and its state affiliates have campaigned against increases to city, state, and federal minimum wage laws, including lobbying Congress.

A third of respondents believe that more regulation of Wall Street would be very effective, while 36 percent said it would be somewhat effective. Nearly seven in 10 respondents said increasing government assistance for child care would be a very or somewhat effective policy response to social barriers.

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The top concern of those polled is the growing cost of health care, with 92 percent saying it is a problem. A combined 55 percent said a government-run health care system would be a very or somewhat effective policy response.

The idea of government run health care would be completely intolerable to the Koch network. Koch-backed groups have campaigned against reforms, like the Affordable Care Act, that would place even limited controls on the private market and which provide government subsidies to enable the poorest to purchase insurance. The American Legislative Exchange Council, a state-level group that pushes model legislation, promoted a bill that pushed the Affordable Care Act into the courts. Generation Opportunity, the Koch student group, pushed students to not buy insurance, through expensive TV ads and campus events. Concerned Veterans for America, another Koch group, has campaigned to privatize the Department of Veterans Affairs through vouchers.
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Freeloading Rusty

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ConorMcGregorsBeard said:
So 55% want universal health care, and 83% want healthcare reform that puts doctors and patients in charge? It's adorable that people think they can have both.
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No one said the general public was logical.



.. But for real, you don't think it is possible? I assume you are hinting putting doctors and patients in charge will lead to inefficient practice and increased costs?

This new primary based care model BC is moving towards (not USA not necessarily a good example) seems to put both the patient and the team of doctors/nurses in charge of the patient plan.
 
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MC Gusto said:
But for real, you don't think it is possible?
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Not even a little.

MC Gusto said:
I assume you are hinting putting doctors and patients in charge will lead to inefficient practice and increased costs?
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Even though there is that potential, that's not my concern. The government having final say in how the system is run is the issue.

MC Gusto said:
This new primary based care model BC is moving towards seems to put both the patient and the team of doctors/nurses in charge of the patient plan.
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Admittedly, I'm not going to profess to be an expert on the proposed system, but I don't see any way that system will make the patient feel more connected with their physician seeing as the plan is to give them a "team" rather than one on one attention. It seems to me like if your problem is 800 000 people without a family doctor that the solution would be to hire 1000 more doctors. As oppose to 200 doctors, 200 nurses and having them juggle the non emergency, emergency patients around.
 
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it is weird watching conservatives who call people commies now being in love with putin JRE made a good point.

 
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Ted Williams' head said:
I love this new blogger-turned-media-company style that I guess Vice ushered in.

"Hey, we'll say FUCK in the headline so the kids will know that we're edgy and hip."

Cock smokers
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Hey and it allows you to disregard and form an opinion on an article without reading it so I guess it’s a big win for you.
 
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True Belieber said:
Hey and it allows you to disregard and form an opinion on an article without reading it so I guess it’s a big win for you.
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I didn't disregard it - I didn't even read it. Just commenting on the headline.

I'm sure the article was totally radical and edgy, maaaaaaaan.
 
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I hate to link to any CNN garbage, but this is a MASTER CLASS in biased fake news hackery. I really have to give it up to Cooper's writers for this brilliant opening.

What is the situation? President Donald Trump and NBA star Lebron James are engaging in a back and forth Twitter beef.

Opening...

"The President is once again lashing out at a well known African American public figure - NBA star Lebron James, who just opened a new school in Ohio."

So what do we gather from this?

-Trump is the one doing the attacking. Unprovoked? One sided? Why is Trump picking on this guy?
-Trump apparently has a history of attacking African Americans. What's his deal? He must be racist!
-Lebron James just opened a school. What a great guy! Why would the President attack a guy like that?

And for the coup de gras, they included those key words "lashing" and "African American. What kind of imagery do those words together bring up in American history?



I know people will think I'm on some Alex Jones shit, but I work in media and this is highly deliberate.

So if you're standing up for CNN as some kind of beacon of truth, stop kidding yourself. They're in the same "fuck Trump" business as other entertainment entities like SNL, Colbert, Meyers, etc. They got out of the journalism business! Sad
 
Freeloading Rusty

Freeloading Rusty

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ConorMcGregorsBeard said:
Not even a little.



Even though there is that potential, that's not my concern. The government having final say in how the system is run is the issue.



Admittedly, I'm not going to profess to be an expert on the proposed system, but I don't see any way that system will make the patient feel more connected with their physician seeing as the plan is to give them a "team" rather than one on one attention. It seems to me like if your problem is 800 000 people without a family doctor that the solution would be to hire 1000 more doctors. As oppose to 200 doctors, 200 nurses and having them juggle the non emergency, emergency patients around.
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Nurses, nurse practitioners, family doctors and some specialists workers will all be working out of the same space / clinic. The idea is wrap around service that will better utilize the specific roles of each. For example, a nurse practitioner costs the system less, yet is able to offer much of the same medical services as a doctor.

How it will all turn out, we will see.
 
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