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KWingJitsu

KWingJitsu

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Splinty said:
Please KWingJitsu @KWingJitsu

Can't you read my post? A man is dead.

Now is not the time.
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Okay I see your post now - obviously I posted without seeing it.
But ... what the hell does that have to do with my post?
I know you're not suggesting that because someone reality show-related died (in Trump tower), I can't post about this:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3227&v=UvtK54lUQ70


You wouldn't actually be suggesting such a thing right? Right????

Cos if so,
 
BeardOfKnowledge

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MC Gusto said:
Nurses, nurse practitioners, family doctors and some specialists workers will all be working out of the same space / clinic. The idea is wrap around service that will better utilize the specific roles of each. For example, a nurse practitioner costs the system less, yet is able to offer much of the same medical services as a doctor.

How it will all turn out, we will see.
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According to CBC it's 200 doctors, 200 NP's and 30 university students training for NP positions. What they're proposing is exactly how a hospital runs, but in a walk in clinic type setting, and I understand why they're looking at the approach. But it isn't going to be the solution to 700k+ British Columbians who can't get a family doctor. The solution is more doctors, always has been, always will be. Government interference will always prevent that from happening.
 
Freeloading Rusty

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ConorMcGregorsBeard said:
According to CBC it's 200 doctors, 200 NP's and 30 university students training for NP positions. What they're proposing is exactly how a hospital runs, but in a walk in clinic type setting, and I understand why they're looking at the approach. But it isn't going to be the solution to 700k+ British Columbians who can't get a family doctor. The solution is more doctors, always has been, always will be. Government interference will always prevent that from happening.
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Those 200 NP's can do 75% of the work a doctor could do. Not all visits to a doctors office require a doctor. So aside from increasing doctors in the province, I think this is a good start towards providing more residents with regular medical professionals and family doctors.

For more doctors to happen, we either need to start increasing the seats available in medical schools or up the funding going towards recruiting foreign family doctors & streamlining the process of getting credentials recognized.
 
BeardOfKnowledge

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MC Gusto said:
Those 200 NP's can do 75% of the work a doctor could do.
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Let's for the sake of argument say they are doctors, and they're hiring 400 more doctors. Do you think that's enough to fill the need of the 800 000 people without doctors?

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Not all visits to a doctors office require a doctor.
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I'm just an unfrozen caveman, but I'm pretty sure having a doctor is a prerequisite for a "doctor's office" otherwise, it's just a regular office.

MC Gusto said:
So aside from increasing doctors in the province, I think this is a good start towards providing more residents with regular medical professionals and family doctors.
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As I said, I don't profess to be an expert on the healthcare of another province, but from what I've read what you're saying here is the opposite of the intended effect. The point is to give people a place to go when they can't get in to see a doctor, but it isn't an "emergency." These doctors and nurses are actually being brought on for what are called "urgent care centers"

MC Gusto said:
For more doctors to happen, we either need to start increasing the seats available in medical schools or up the funding going towards recruiting foreign family doctors & streamlining the process of getting credentials recognized.
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The reason we don't have enough family physicians is directly related to lack of capital to invest in having more doctors. There are fewer residency positions than there are graduates last I checked, and of those who do complete their education most don't want to be family doctors because comparatively it's more work for less pay, and that's a big deal when you're loaded with student debt.
 
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ConorMcGregorsBeard said:
The reason we don't have enough family physicians is directly related to lack of capital to invest in having more doctors. There are fewer residency positions than there are graduates last I checked, and of those who do complete their education most don't want to be family doctors because comparatively it's more work for less pay, and that's a big deal when you're loaded with student debt.
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Ye, verily
 
Freeloading Rusty

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ConorMcGregorsBeard said:
Let's for the sake of argument say they are doctors, and they're hiring 400 more doctors. Do you think that's enough to fill the need of the 800 000 people without doctors?
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No, I dont.

I think the introduction of NP will help though.

ConorMcGregorsBeard said:
I'm just an unfrozen caveman, but I'm pretty sure having a doctor is a prerequisite for a "doctor's office" otherwise, it's just a regular office.
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A doctor works in the doctor's office, he just doesn't have to see all patients who walk through the door.

If you can employ 5 nurse practitioners for the equivalent cost of 3 doctors, I think mixing them into the team is an efficient and effective move.

ConorMcGregorsBeard said:
The reason we don't have enough family physicians is directly related to lack of capital to invest in having more doctors. There are fewer residency positions than there are graduates last I checked, and of those who do complete their education most don't want to be family doctors because comparatively it's more work for less pay, and that's a big deal when you're loaded with student debt.
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I agree. Income is a large factor in med students deciding against family practice as is the downfall of the individual service care model each province uses. With that said, medical school in Canada is still under producing for our needs. More seats and training opportunities need to be offered, along with, increased funding.
 
BeardOfKnowledge

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MC Gusto said:
I agree. Income is a large factor in med students deciding against family practice as is the downfall of the individual service care model each province uses. With that said, medical school in Canada is still under producing for our needs. More seats and training opportunities need to be offered, along with, increased funding.
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and these issues are why you'll never get top level patient care AND universal health care. I don't doubt it's possible to create a system with top level health care where people also don't need to be turned away because they're poor, but clearly the one size fits all approach doesn't work. If our healthcare system were a car, we'd be trading it in on something new.
 
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