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Booker's push for Kavanaugh vote delay called out over his 1992 column detailing teenage groping

The Stanford Daily 27 May 1992 — The Stanford Daily

So much for stealing second

Telling one's own personal story is often the most powerful way to make a point, or, more importantly, to make people think. When grandiose statements entrenched in politically correct terminology are made, many may listen but few will hear. When I hesitated in writing this column, I realized I was basking in hypocrisy. So instead I chose to write and risk. New Year's Eve 1984 I will never forget. I was 15. As the ball dropped, I leaned over to hug a friend and she met me instead with an overwhelming kiss. As we fumbled upon the bed, I remember debating my next "move" as if it were a chess game. With the "Top Gun" slogan ringing in my head, I slowly reached for her breast. After having my hand pushed away once, I reached my "mark." Our groping ended soon and while no "relationship" ensued, a friendship did. You see, the next week in school she told me that she was drunk that night and didn't really know what she was doing. While she liked me a lot, she said she just wanted to be friends. I have gotten used to those five words, but that's another column. Ever since puberty, I remember receiving messages that sex was a game, a competition. Sexual relations were best achieved through luck, guile, strategy or coercion. Another friend in high school counseled me on the importance of drink-ng: "With liquor you'll get to bed quicker," she said. Thinking about her statement back then, I realized its veracity. Coming to college, I was immersed in the same sort of attitudes. "What do you think happened? She invited me back to her room at 3 a.m." "I've got to find a way to snatch that snatch." "The best thing for that girl would be to be tied down and screwed." Out of context these statements seem shocking, but in context they were barely noticed. After two years at Stanford, I snapped from one extreme to the other. Once, during my sophomore year, in response to a slew of my verbiage, a friend of mine chidingly called me a man-hater. In retrospect, my soliloquy titled "The Oppressive Nature Of Male Dominated Society And Its Violent Manifestations: Rape, Anorexia, Battered Wives" may have been a surreptitious attempt to convince her that I was a sensitive man, but more likely I was trying to convince myself that my attitudes had changed. My polar leap had little to do with residential education. It had to do with a deluge of reality. You see, I had begun listening to the raw truth from men and women discussing rape about two years ago as a peer counselor. The conversations were personal accounts, not rhetoric; they were real life, not dorm programing. It was a wake-upall — I will never be the same. I find myself with no conclusion for this column. A conclusion would speak of a simplicity I do not feel. I can find little clarity in the torment of emotions I now experience when even allusions to this issue are made. All I have are poignant visions. I see that preceding all the horrors of rape are a host of skewed attitudes. I see my friends seeking to "get some" or to "score." I see people making power plays. I see myself at 15 trotting around the bases and stealing second. I now see the crowds, no, not the spectators, but the thousands, the millions who are rarely seen or heard. I've seen enough. I spoke to a 40 year old woman who has trouble looking at her self in the mirror when she gets out of the shower; to her, her body is always dirty. She can't make love, she never had an orgasm, she never will forget what happened her first time. She can't close her eyes.

Cory values the dialogue he has received in response to his column and welcomes more.

'I received messages that sex was best achieved through guile and strategy.'
Cory Booker

Looking out my window

From my window — I saw an elderly Asian woman driving her car. She cut me off before the last light. In my moment of anger what did I see? ELDERLY ASIAN WOMAN. These feelings I cannot deny. From her window — What does she see? My angry stare? or a YOUNG BLACK MALE? It's late, and I bang on the keys of this Daily computer for the last time. I feel a sense of urgency. I want to say something. That's how I began, you know; after five years at Stanford I felt as if I learned so much, that I could now endeavor to teach, inspire and enrich a community with my profound pontifications. But by my second column, as I raised my noble pen to address the issue of date rape, I realized that the person holding it wasn't so noble after all. With this issue as with so many others, a dash of sincere introspection has revealed to me a dangerous gap — a gap between my beliefs and my actions. So for me, my columns became an opportunity to look inward for answers instead of outward for acclaim. It has become a poignant ritual each week. Sunday night from 11 p.m. until 4 a.m., 5 a.m. or even later.

I sit and mull over in my mind the issue, my beliefs, my actions, my personal experiences, my feelings and so on. It's funny, but with so many of these issues I already felt I had established the "Cory Booker Party Line" — "Respect women," "Gays are OK, too," "Black people need justice," etc. However, I have come to realize that these lines of mine are shallow manifestations of acceptance without internalization. I may truly believe these catchy phrases of mine — equality, peace, understanding — but until these words and beliefs are actualized, I am a danger to myself. So, from my window — What do I see? I see racists. I see sexist people. Still I look closer . . . What do I see? I see people steeped in hypocrisy. I see injustice abounding. Closer, closer I look . . . What do I see? I see myself. So as my ambition rages, as I seek to change the world — Where shall I begin? Shall I deny the world's problems? Shall I deny my problems? It has been my personal struggles that have made me strong.

Struggling to find my identity. Struggling with the pain of loss, failure. Struggling with private pains, often too difficult to mention. From all of this, I have grown stronger. Denial is too costly. I am a religious person, I make no bones about that, and I have faith that if I take more opportunities like this one to sincerely look inward, my ability to reach out will be greatly improved. Thank you for reading my words, this exercise has been invaluable. It has been both cathartic and meditative, but most importantly, it has been transformative. God bless you all. Please allow me a final note on the eve of my graduation ... To my friends and family who have watched me be continually busy and stressed for five years: I am sorry I've often given you the short end of the time stick. You have made it all possible and worthwhile. Thank you for your love and patience. I am truly blessed.

Cory is a co-terminal student in sociology; this is his last column.

'A dash of sincere introspection has revealed to me a dangerous gap.'
 
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Well clearly he raped that ELDERLY ASIAN WOMAN. So he should be on the supreme court....
Don't understand where you are either not reading it or where you are so deep in the sarcasm I can't figure it out.

Booker writes about drunkenly groping a young woman.

Kavanaugh might have done a similar act.

Booker seems to give himself a pass as he matures into an adult that finds fault in the behavior and views himself as a product of a system that raised boys with a bad view on sex and relationships.

If Booker gives himself a "its wrong but now I've grown up and realized its wrong" pass, why does he not give the same to Kav?


I guess I have to finally expose my position which is not solid, as more and more facts come out, but I think Kav probably did it. And I think that he might have been so drunk he doesn't even know. And I initially want to hold him responsible for it. It's a bad act. I'd kick said kids ass. But everyone I know over the age of 50 keeps telling me, "you have no idea how different it was being a high schooler in the 70's and early 80's". I sure don't like the idea of rapey groping was "just a sign of the times!"
Booker seems to paint a picture that would sell someone that they could be a Senator even if they drunkenly groped a teenage friend. How far is that jump to Supreme Court Justice?


And...
Gratuitous lol
 
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Problem being, there is nothing to investigate (she doesn't know when or where this happened) and this is not in the fbi's jurisdiction (not a federal crime).
Not sure that's true. The FBI manages a huge part of the nomination process so things might be different here regarding verifying things the FBI puts directly into the background and supporting documents of the nominee.

I still don't know what it takes to kick them into gear, but in the earlier referenced Anita Hill accusations, they were investigating
The FBI did investigate Anita Hill's accusation, and it took 3 days - CNNPolitics
 

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Kavanaugh graduated in 1987
The frat was banned in 2011

#FakeAssNews
So?
"According to the Yale Daily News, Kavanaugh chose to pledge with the Yale University’s DKE in the late 80’s, which had a reputation as a party frat."

The only thing worse than your reading comprehension is your basic math. I'm embarrassed for you.
 

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So?
"According to the Yale Daily News, Kavanaugh chose to pledge with the Yale University’s DKE in the late 80’s, which had a reputation as a party frat."

The only thing worse than your reading comprehension is your basic math. I'm embarrassed for you.
A party frat? In college? HOLY SHIT!!!

I know a few females who weren't invited to DKE's parties.







And they are BITTER about it.
 
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And?

Was he part of the fraternity or not?

"LMAO!" indeed.
was he involved in any SCOTUS-disqualifying activities or not?

Remember when I pointed out that 'guilt by association' is a logical fallacy? That hasn't changed.
And when the 'association' is separated by 25 years, it's farcical.
 

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This sums it up nicely.

Haven't heard from Kavanaugh or Judge that they don't want to talk to FBI, only heard that Ford wants the FBI to investigate Kavanaugh and Judge.

And that the FBI says they're not going to do that.
 

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Kavanaugh accuser may testify under right conditions, lawyer says
Christine Blasey Ford may personally testify against U.S. Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh after all, her attorney said Thursday, breathing new life into the prospect of a dramatic Senate showdown next week over Ford's accusation that he assaulted her when both were in high school.

Ford will tell her story to the Judiciary Committee, whose senators will vote on Kavanaugh's confirmation — but only if agreement can be reached on "terms that are fair and which ensure her safety," the attorney said.

A Senate aide said Ford's lawyer told the Judiciary Committee she prefers to testify next Thursday and doesn't want Kavanaugh in the room.

Attorney Debra Katz outlined five points during a call late Thursday with committee staff ahead of Ford's possible appearance. The aide was unauthorized to discuss the matter and spoke on condition of anonymity.

Ford and Kavanaugh were invited to appear Monday about her allegation that he sexually assaulted her when they were teens. Kavanaugh has denied the allegation.

The attorney raised questions about security that staff said would be provided by Capitol Police. Press access for the testimony would be similar to during Kavanaugh's confirmation hearing.

She also wants the committee to subpoena Mark Judge, who Ford has said was present for the alleged assaulted.

Lawyer: Ford received death threats
Katz said anew that Ford, 51, a psychology professor in California, has received death threats and for safety reasons has relocated her family.

"She wishes to testify, provided that we can agree on terms that are fair and which ensure her safety," Katz wrote in an email, which was obtained by The Associated Press after first being reported by The New York Times.

The accusation has jarred the 53-year-old conservative jurist's prospects for winning confirmation, which until Ford's emergence last week had seemed all but certain. It has also bloomed into a broader clash over whether women alleging abuse are taken seriously by men and how both political parties address such claims with the advent of the #MeToo movement — a theme that could echo in this November's elections for control of Congress.

Republicans are anxious to move ahead to a vote by he committee, where they hold an 11-10 majority, and then by the full Senate, which they control, 51-49.

Taylor Foy, spokesman for Republicans on the panel, made no commitment but said in a written statement, "We are happy that Dr. Ford's attorneys are now engaging with the Committee."

Should Ford testify, especially in public, it would pit the words of two distinguished professionals against each other as television close-ups capture every emotion. Assessing them would be not just the committee's 21 senators — of whom only four are women, all Democrats — but millions of viewing voters.

Underscoring the sensitivity of all-male Republican senators grilling a woman who's alleged abuse, Republicans are considering reaching out to female attorneys who might question Ford, according to a person who spoke only on condition of anonymity.

Eager to testify
If Ford opts not to participate, Republicans could well dispense with the hearing to avoid giving Democrats a forum for peppering Kavanaugh with embarrassing questions. They would argue that they'd offered Ford several options for describing her accusation, but that she'd snubbed them.

Kavanaugh, who's been eager to testify, said he was ready to appear Monday.

"I will be there," he wrote Grassley in a letter. "I continue to want a hearing as soon as possible, so that I can clear my name."

Ford has contended that at a house party in Washington's Maryland suburbs, a drunken Kavanaugh tried undressing her and stifling her cries on a bed before she fled.

Grassley previously said that in the interest of making Ford comfortable, he'd be willing to let Ford testify in public or private. He even offered to send committee aides to her California home to take testimony.

"Dr. Ford has asked me to let you know that she appreciates the various options you have suggested," Katz wrote. The email did not say any option was preferred.

Kavanaugh was spotted at the White House Thursday, and allies said he is eager to address the accusation and will be prepared to address the committee Monday. President Donald Trump refrained from tweeting about his nominee.

Republicans have resisted all Democratic efforts to slow and perhaps block Kavanaugh's confirmation. A substantial delay could push confirmation past the November elections, when Democrats have a shot at winning Senate control, plus allow more time for unforeseen problems to crop up.

Alumnae support Ford
Women who attended Ford's high school have delivered a letter in support of her to senators. Organizers say more than 1,000 women from the school signed the letter.

The women say they believe Ford, calling her accusation "all too consistent with stories we heard and lived," while going to the Holton-Arms School in Bethesda, Md.


Alumnae of Holton-Arms School speak to members of the media about a letter they delivered in support of Ford, who accused Kavanaugh of sexually assaulting her while both were students at the school. (Jacquelyn Martin/Associated Press)
Some personally delivered copies of the letter to Sen. Shelley Moore Capito, a West Virginia Republican who also graduated from Holton-Arms.

Alumna Alexis Goldstein says word of the letter spread through social media and personal networks. She describes Ford as courageous.
 

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I still don't know what it takes to kick them into gear, but in the earlier referenced Anita Hill accusations, they were investigating
The FBI did investigate Anita Hill's accusation, and it took 3 days - CNNPolitics
My understanding is they do background checks and criminal background checks (which they have done 6 times over the years to kavenaugh), but they do not do criminal investigations unless it is a federal crime. Since this is not a federal crime, they would not do the investigation of it since it is not within their jurisdiction.
 
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You people are seriously debating the present day ramifications of a woman claiming a 17 year-old wanted to have drunken sex with her but thefarthest he got was some groping until his buddy cock blocked him 36 years ago.

The media is your sheppard and you are its' flock.
 

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was he involved in any SCOTUS-disqualifying activities or not?

Remember when I pointed out that 'guilt by association' is a logical fallacy? That hasn't changed.
And when the 'association' is separated by 25 years, it's farcical.
Someone seems to be confusing guilt by association with guilt by rape-iation......
 

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You people are seriously debating the present day ramifications of a woman claiming a 17 year-old wanted to have drunken sex with her but thefarthest he got was some groping until his buddy cock blocked him 36 years ago.

The media is your sheppard and you are its' flock.
I hate when my buddies “cock block” my rape attempts!