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Peterson is brilliant. A savy psychologist. Yet a bit of a bully and ego driven when it comes to criticisms or debates.

You should listen to his 12 rules for life book on audible. It's not political. It is interesting theory, including a subtle argument that Human constructs have created our environment and therefore society and social choices are literally ingrained in our DNA... Evolution as a byproduct of social choices through history and from themes of psychology.
 

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Two things on this... Maybe 3.

1. This chick should be punished for her bullshit and is terribly counterproductive to women's causes.
2. This doesn't mean that any other accusations are bullshit, especially Blasey-Ford. Every person and situation should be judged individually not just in this conversation but in every situation. For example, just because Ted Williams' head @Ted Williams' head is a douche doesn't mean that all conservatives are douches.
3. Kirk is such a cunty little bitch.
 
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Two things on this... Maybe 3.

1. This chick should be punished for her bullshit and is terribly counterproductive to women's causes.
2. This doesn't mean that any other accusations are bullshit, especially Blasey-Ford. Every person and situation should be judged individually not just in this conversation but in every situation. For example, just because Ted Williams' head @Ted Williams' head is a douche doesn't mean that all conservatives are douches.
3. Kirk is such a cunty little bitch.

FBI says 92%+ of sexual assault claims are true. That's probably low due to underreporting. Regardless, 1:12 fakers is nothing to laugh at. That's a much too high number and rather disgusting. But no one should live their life on exceptions in stats. Most women are telling the truth. They do so at a much higher rate than lots of other things we all feel are "sure things". The fakers should be ostracized and shamed, and where possible criminally liable. But it's weird to see people start with assuming someone is in the 8% instead of the 92%. Or finding a 1:12 and then disregarding the 11:12 because of it. It's just bad life analysis.
 

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You should listen to his 12 rules for life book on audible. It's not political. It is interesting theory, including a subtle argument that Human constructs have created our environment and therefore society and social choices are literally ingrained in our DNA... Evolution as a byproduct of social choices through history and from themes of psychology.
Ive read it. I actually found it kind of boring and had to force myself to finish it.

With that said, I do see the utility of the book and Peterson's theories in providing meaning and drive to some of these angry, lost young men out there.
 

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How a right-wing effort to slime Mueller with a sexual assault allegation fell apart
For a little while on Tuesday, a document posted to The Gateway Pundit, a popular right-wing blog prone to peddling conspiracy theories, must have seemed to some of its readers like the perfect story.
The document was not just an allegation of sexual assault against Special Counsel Robert Mueller, a favorite enemy of President Trump's supporters -- it was also an opportunity to troll liberals, supporters of the #MeToo movement, and the media.
The blog's commenters were gleeful.
"We believe the victim...we believe the victim...we believe the victim...," the top comment read. "Proof doesn't matter. It's the seriousness of the charge," another commenter responded. A reply to that said, "Absolutely. Anyone who doesn't believe her is supporting sexual assault and attacking alll women." And then another: "Lol time to rub it in."
Just a few hours later, however, the story collapsed. Journalists and internet sleuths tied a scheme to smear Mueller with charges of sexual assault to an entity called Surefire Intelligence. That firm was tied to 20-year-old Jacob Wohl, a far-right internet personality who has written for The Gateway Pundit and who was previously banned from financial trading by the National Futures Association over allegations of fraud, and to a number of fake LinkedIn profiles apparently intended to create the impression that Surefire Intelligence was a legitimate and impressive organization with several employees.
The Gateway Pundit's founder, Jim Hoft, removed the document from his website and published an editor's note in its place. He said that there were "very serious allegations against Jacob Wohl" and that he was "looking into" them. Hoft did not respond to phone calls or an email from CNN seeking comment.
It is still unclear exactly who or how many people were involved with the scheme, or what their motives were. Did they want to discredit Mueller? Were they trying to setup reporters in an attempt to smear them? Were they just in it for themselves?
The bizarre saga appeared to have kicked into gear over the last few weeks when reporters from various news organizations were emailed by a person or people who identified themself as Lorraine Parsons. Parsons, who did not respond to requests for comment from CNN and has reportedly declined to speak to several other media organizations, said she had been offered money in exchange for making a sexual assault allegation against Mueller.
The matter has now been referred to the FBI for investigation.
"When we learned last week of allegations that women were offered money to make false claims about the Special Counsel, we immediately referred the matter to the FBI for investigation," Peter Carr, a spokesman for the Special Counsel's office, said in a statement on Tuesday.
In the email to reporters, Parsons claimed to have worked at a law firm with Mueller in the 1970s, though the law firm has said it had no records of her being employed there. Parsons said that the person who had contacted her about making a sexual assault allegation in exchange for money said he was working for Republican lobbyist Jack Burkman.
On Tuesday morning, Wohl tweeted that a "scandalous story about Mueller" would be "breaking tomorrow."
Burkman announced shortly after that he would be holding a press conference on Thursday to "reveal the first of Special Counsel Robert Mueller's sex assault victims."
The Gateway Pundit, which Wohl writes for, then published the document detailing what it portrayed as an unidentified woman's accusation that Mueller had raped her.
As the story gained media attention, Vermont Law School professor Jennifer Taub, who has previously written for CNN's opinion section, said she too had received an email from an individual offering to compensate her "at whatever rate you see fit" for discussing "past encounters with Robert Mueller."
Taub told CNN she had never met or spoken with Mueller, and that she had forwarded the email to the Department of Justice.
The individual who emailed Taub identified himself as Simon Frick, who claimed to be a researcher for Surefire Intelligence. Ed Krassenstein, a liberal Twitter personality who writes for HillReporter.com, said he had also been contacted by an individual claiming to work for Surefire Intelligence after he looked into claims from Parsons.
Phone numbers listed on the Surefire Intelligence website, however, automatically redirected callers to a voicemail for Wohl's mother.
Other discrepancies soon started to add up.
Twitter users pointed out that the same Google user who had uploaded images for the Surefire Intelligence website had also previously uploaded images for a website Wohl used for an asset management firm.
Aric Toler, a researcher for Bellingcat, an organization that uses online and open source material to conduct investigations, also noted that a LinkedIn profile for Simon Frick used a picture of Christoph Waltz, an actor who has starred in movies including "Django Unchained," "Muppets Most Wanted," and the James Bond film "Spectre."
And Jane Mayer, a writer for The New Yorker, noted that a LinkedIn photo of an individual claiming to be the head of Surefire Intelligence appeared to simply be a darkened photograph of Wohl. (The picture had been removed from the profile by the time CNN viewed it Tuesday afternoon.)

Wohl himself even apparently confirmed a link between Burkman and Surefire Intelligence. He told The Daily Beast that Burkman had hired Surefire Intelligence to help him investigate Mueller's past. Burkman, however, told CNN that he doesn't "comment on any employees or subcontractors."
When reached for comment through Twitter's direct message feature and asked about his ties to Surefire Intelligence, Wohl said, "Sounds like a kooky Russiagate conspiracy theory."
When CNN dialed a number listed on Surefire Intelligence's website, an unknown individual answered. That person told CNN that he didn't know what Surefire Intelligence was -- "it doesn't ring a bell" -- and, when asked to identify himself, said "don't call" if "you aren't sure" who the number belongs to.
Several hours later, phone numbers listed for Surefire Intelligence on its website had been disconnected. At least some of the LinkedIn profiles that showed purported employees of Surefire were also taken down, as were two articles on Medium promoting the company under the guise of news stories.
Burkman said on Twitter Tuesday night that "the allegations of paying a woman are false."
Burkman is a Republican operative who has a history of organizing stunts that get him attention, present narratives aimed at benefitting the GOP, and ultimately fall apart in spectacular fashion.
For instance, earlier this year, Burkman helped peddle conspiracy theories about the murder of Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich when he announced a press conference in which he said he would "present a witness" who would identify two individuals who had information about Rich's murder.
However, when reporters arrived, Burkman said the witness would call in, and not appear in person. After technical difficulties establishing a phone connection, the witness, who was not identified by name, rambled instead of providing actual information.
The press conference was executed so poorly, it was even lambasted by individuals on the far-right who believe or at least give credence to the Seth Rich conspiracy theory.
 

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Twitter Removed 10,000 Bots Pretending to Be Democrats Telling Other Democrats Not to Vote
On Friday, Reuters reported that Twitter had deleted more than 10,000 bot accounts that were tweeting messages aimed to keep people from voting in the midterms next week. The accounts were masquerading as Democrats, and Twitter reportedly removed the bots in late September and early October after someone from the party contacted the company.

While 10,000 is a tiny number compared to other account suspension efforts from the social network this year—Twitter purged more than 70 million fake accounts in May and June alone—the latest removal showed just how daunting the challenge of scrubbing disinformation from the sprawling and often anonymous social network is. No matter how many are swatted away, a new army of trolls seems to inevitably return.

The 10,000 fake accounts were first spotted by the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, a group that works to get Democrats elected to the U.S. House of Representatives. That group has been working to spot misinformation that may circulate about Democratic candidates. The effort reportedly started in response to false and misleading information that spread about Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton in advance of the 2016 election.* In February, special counsel Robert Mueller indicted a number of Russians with conspiracy to defraud the United States in connection with the country’s alleged social media propaganda campaign to influence the 2016 race.

“We Are at a Turning Point”: Counterterrorism Experts Say Trump Is Inspiring a Terrifying New Era of Right-Wing Violence
On Monday, an attorney representing Patrick Eugene Stein, one of three men convicted of plotting to bomb Somali refugees, filed an explosive memo in U.S. District Court in Kansas. Stein, his lawyer argued, should receive a more lenient sentence because he was inspired by then-candidate Donald Trump. “The court cannot ignore the circumstances of one of the most rhetorically mold-breaking, violent, awful, hateful, and contentious presidential elections in modern history,” attorney Jim Pratt wrote, “driven in large measure by the rhetorical China shop bull who is now our president.”

The filing made national news in part because Pratt was willing to argue publicly what many in Washington are saying in private. In the past weeks, the United States has been rocked by a series of vicious hate crimes, including a mail-bombing spree targeting Democrats and Trump critics; the racially inspired killing of two black patrons at a Kentucky grocery store; and, most recently, the massacre of 11 congregants at a Pittsburgh synagogue believed to be the work of an avowed neo-Nazi. Trump and his allies have argued that the president bears no responsibility for the acts of deranged individuals. But to many experts on hate groups and former Homeland Security, law enforcement, and counterterrorism officials, there is unquestionably a correlation. “I think it’s laughable that people are trying to separate the two things in saying there is no relationship between what the president urges his supporters to do and what his supporters then do,” Glenn Kirschner, a former federal homicide prosecutor, told me. “A fourth-grader could see the connection. . . . Anybody who says there is no connection, I think is saying it for political or ideological reasons.”

The Trump administration has done little to counter the impression that it is soft on right-wing extremism. Even before Trump took office, his presidential transition team began drawing up plans to redirect national-security resources away from white supremacists to focus solely on Islamic terrorism. The main target of this effort was Countering Violent Extremism, an interagency task force created by Barack Obama in the wake of the Charleston Church shooting to help prevent acts of violence before they happen. In 2016, the Office of Community Partnerships, which housed C.V.E., boasted a full-time staff of 16, about 25 contractors, and a budget of $21 million. But the Trump White House was skeptical of the preventative approach. While the Anti-Defamation League estimates that white supremacists have committed 83 percent of extremist-related murders in the U.S. over the past decade, the administration wanted to keep the focus on radical Islamist groups. In 2018, the Office of Community Partnerships’ budget was slashed to less than $3 million and its headcount cut to eight. “Effectively, it no longer exists,” a former D.H.S. official told me, describing a “shift” away from “a comprehensive approach” to preventing radicalization and recruitment. “There were a number of new political appointees in the Trump administration who were not fully on board with the approach of the previous administration,” the former official said. “They didn’t want to understand it and some of them just blatantly disagreed with it.” (D.H.S. did not respond to a request for comment.)

Other sources I spoke with specifically identified Katharine Gorka, the wife of former Trump adviser Sebastian Gorka, as a driving figure behind efforts to de-prioritize white supremacist violence. Although Mr. Gorka was forced out of the White House in August 2017, Mrs. Gorka remains a full-time adviser for Kirstjen Nielsen, the secretary of Homeland Security, where she has reportedly played a critical role in shaping the administration’s counterterrorism agenda, including drafting reports to Congress on terrorism recruitment. Like her husband, Mrs. Gorka has been vocal in her criticism of Islam, reportedly raising concerns inside D.H.S. that their influence would mean fewer resources for combatting right-wing extremism. (A spokesperson for D.H.S. previously denied that Katharine Gorka is “pushing the department toward an Islamist-only approach to terrorism,” insisting that she champions “an all-forms-of-extremism approach.”)

Nate Snyder, a former senior D.H.S. counterterrorism official who served on the C.V.E. task force, described a pattern of neglect under Trump. “There’s a whole sort of rash of things stemming from the transition period between administrations to where there were deliberate decisions made to really not only hamstring the countering violent extremism efforts but to systematically de-fang it,” he told me. “It’s there in symbolic form right now for the most part, and there’s some good people who are there still struggling to keep the lights on.” But as Snyder noted, the vacancy left by former Office of Community Partnerships director George Selim has yet to be filled. “The administration’s M.O. is more focused on destroying, systematically, by a thousand paper cuts.”

The C.V.E. was hardly a shining success within the Obama administration. It was still in its infancy at the end of Obama’s second term, and critics accused it of stigmatizing American Muslim communities. Perhaps more important, insiders noted that there are several other government agencies focused on violent extremism. According to an F.B.I. spokesperson, the bureau is currently investigating around 1,000 cases of domestic terrorism. At its core, however, C.V.E. represented an effort to prevent radicalization through engagement with community-based programs, as opposed to simply hunting down extremists after they committed crimes—an approach the Trump administration has effectively given up. “When I talk to my friends in the national security division of the Department of Justice or even at D.H.S. or at U.S. attorney’s offices across the country, they are seeing an uptick in far-right extremism and they are going after it,” a second former D.H.S. official told me. “It is not like they are not. I think the difference is, there is no extra effort being put forth to building a prevention space.”

De-radicalization is arguably a more pressing issue than ever. Over the past decade there has been a spike in right-wing extremist activity and in 2016, hate crimes reached their highest mark since 2012. “Over the course of the past several years, there’s been a normalization, if you will, of hate speech or extremism both online and offline,” Selim, who is now the senior vice president of programs at the Anti-Defamation League, told me. “The combination of the an uptick of extremist and anti-Semitic rhetoric that has now been mainstreamed, with the mainstreaming of hate and extremism as part of our political discourse, coupled with some the technical capability social media savvy, allows for these haters and bigots to better connect and organize online. This recipe has created this very combustible mix across America.”

Complicating matters, officials say, is Trump’s hate-fueled commentary about migrants, Muslims, and George Soros, the billionaire Democratic donor loathed by anti-Semites. “You are adding fuel to the fire,” the second former official said. “We are at a turning point where a lot of the fringe groups think that their views are becoming mainstream, so we see these types of manifestations like you did last week.” Heidi Beirich, the head of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Intelligence Project, was even more blunt. “You have hate emanating from the highest official in the land,” she told me. “It’s one thing when you have white supremacists saying these terrible things on their own to each other, or even trying to propagandize, and it’s a far different situation when they have the sanction of the highest office and, frankly, other folks in the G.O.P. who are parroting those ideas.”

The violent fringe of right-wing politics is indeed creeping into the mainstream. The Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville last year was billed by its organizers as a “coming out” of sorts for proud white nationalists. Republican Congressman Steve King, who has espoused racist talking points in the past, has grown increasingly vocal in his view that nonwhite immigrants are destroying Western culture. Nor is he the only politician echoing language that was once carefully filtered through rhetorical dog-whistles. In the 2018 election cycle, the Anti-Defamation League identified more than a dozen candidates for political office with “problematic views” ranging from white nationalist sympathies to outright anti-Semitism.

Though the White House is eager to shift the blame, experts say Trump is driving the political realignment that has brought the far right-wing out of the shadows. “It doesn’t matter what the president’s intention is. It is how it is perceived by the general populous and the far fringes,” said Daryl Johnson, a former D.H.S. analyst, citing the president’s use of racially loaded terms such as “invaders” and “nationalist,” and his more controversial policy platforms, such as revoking birthright citizenship and banning Muslim immigrants. “When he flirts with that stuff and puts that stuff out, it is emboldening those who believe in the even more fringe conspiracy theories. Because he is seen as the highest government position in the land and he is endorsing these things,” Johnson told me. “These are all extremist messages that I saw on Stormfront and other white supremacist message boards 10 or 15 years ago, and now they are being endorsed as policy by the president.”

Where that leaves law-enforcement agents seeking to combat violent extremism is unclear. “It is not just that the president isn’t interested in this issue, it is that the president is actively supporting and amplifying the harm that is occurring,” said Juliette Kayyem, a former D.H.S. official in the Obama administration. “There will be opportunities for there to be investigations and policies and stuff, but none of them will be as successful as they would otherwise be because of the president’s stance on this issue.”

Johnson, perhaps more than any sources I spoke to, is familiar with the dangers of allowing white nationalist grievances to fester. While he was still working at the Department of Homeland Security, he was the chief author of a 2009 report that predicted a spike in right-wing extremism would follow the election of Barack Obama. When the report was leaked, the conservative-media apparatus devolved into hysterics, claiming that the report exposed an Obama administration plot to spy on its political opponents. “Up until that time, the U.S. government’s counterterrorism efforts were almost exclusively focused on al-Qaeda,” Johnson explained. “It was basically a warning to law enforcement, state and local and federal, that we were likely to see a rise in violent activities and terrorism attributed to white supremacists and militia extremists, sovereign citizens, and even anti-abortion extremists.” But Johnson never predicted Donald Trump. Now, he says, the U.S. government is seeing that same trend on steroids. “It is a lot bigger problem than we envisioned back in ‘09, and I didn’t expect it to last almost a decade.”


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Ive read it. I actually found it kind of boring and had to force myself to finish it.
Hence the audible recommendation. I don't do any self help type thing in book form. Loses the energy of it.
 

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Hence the audible recommendation. I don't do any self help type thing in book form. Loses the energy of it.
I find Peterson's lecture style very dry, him reading the book wouldn't have done my attention span any favors.

I have watched / listened to numerous of his lectures on JRE, CBC and others, often very informative opinions yet still dry and boring as fuck in his presentation style.

Anytime he gets into his biblical stories and life lessons, I my eyes glaze over.
 

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I find Peterson's lecture style very dry, him reading the book wouldn't have done my attention span any favors.

I have watched / listened to numerous of his lectures on JRE, CBC and others, often very informative opinions yet still dry and boring as fuck in his presentation style.

Anytime he gets into his biblical stories and life lessons, I my eyes glaze over.
It's because he's Canadian.

Those people are horrible to listen to.
 
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Degenerate. It takes much longer to listen than to read.

This may be true. I prefer history, fantasy, and sci-fi in book form usually.
It's not speed, just personal preference for what paints a more vivid picture to me
 

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This may be true. I prefer history, fantasy, and sci-fi in book form usually.
It's not speed, just personal preference for what paints a more vivid picture to me
You should read the prince of nothing by bakker, despite his Canadian ways he good writer.