I like him!!
Do UFC fighters get just 7% of the pie? Anik and Schaub debate salary, revenue share
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agreed. great post.
Dana pretends that they dont tell pay because the fighters dont want anyone to know but the fertittas have it written into their contract that they are not allowed to disclose their pay even if they wanted to.
Why is Rory getting more money in the backroom even seen as a bonus? Its what he should receive as his base pay. They underpay them at the start and then pretend to give them a bonus that they deserve in the first place. Even with the bonus they are still not getting their fare share.
They need to be public with their revenue sharing or just stop pretending its the fighters who dont want anyone to know.
Schaub: First of all! It's sure the fuck not 25%! The last numbers I got was 7%! 7 percent, Anik! ...Good god, man. Don't get me wrong, there are undisclosed discretionary bonuses. But imagine if your work never really paid you really well and then one time they give you a $100,000 bonus, and then the next time they gave you $3000. There's just no stability. You can't do that.
Guess how many undisclosed discretionary bonuses are in the NFL. Guess how many are in the NBA. Guess how many in the NHL. It's very black and white. There's incentives.
I get it. They're still in that growing stage, so I don't fault Dana White or the UFC for it. I don't know if I would run it any different, but there has to be a conversation, that's it. Who knows what they deal with? We don't.
Guess how many undisclosed discretionary bonuses are in the NFL. Guess how many are in the NBA. Guess how many in the NHL. It's very black and white. There's incentives.
I get it. They're still in that growing stage, so I don't fault Dana White or the UFC for it. I don't know if I would run it any different, but there has to be a conversation, that's it. Who knows what they deal with? We don't.
Anik: I know there were some internal conversations recently about that topic, and about that percentage. Rest assured that Lorenzo Fertitta and the others... by large want to do good by the fighters. This whole notion that there's this greed going on, it's not the case... There's really not an appreciation for the whole operation, and the machine, and the costs involved, and moving into new territories, and the money they've spent on New York City to try and get that done.
Schaub: You know what Jon, and I don't mean to interrupt you, but I just don't care. I'm the one dealing with the head trauma. I'm the one dealing with the injuries. I'm with the one that has an average career one and a half years with the UFC. By the time they get that going, for everyone fighting right now, it's not going to matter to us.
Schaub: You know what Jon, and I don't mean to interrupt you, but I just don't care. I'm the one dealing with the head trauma. I'm the one dealing with the injuries. I'm with the one that has an average career one and a half years with the UFC. By the time they get that going, for everyone fighting right now, it's not going to matter to us.
Him and Barnett were calling New Japan pro wrestling I caught the other day. Mauro Renallo is underrated. He calls a good game on the mic. Ufc would be privleged to have him around.
Truth be told I don't mind Anik. My issue with he and Florian is they sound too similar. Certainly not identical, but there are times I don't know who's talking.
I've never felt Florian was anything but an above board guy who, like it or not shoots from the hip. It's much more likely with Kenny being friends with Rory that he would know what he's talking about. When someone uses the quote "knows for a fact" it doesn't make it their opinion but rather they are stating a fact that they do know.
I don't know why it would be so hard to believe, even Brendan Schaub was talking about receiving a 100k bonus after a fight. He's never even been close to a Title fight let alone being a Co-Main Title fight that is one of the greatest fights ever on one of the biggest PPV's ever. I just don't see it being so unbelievable.
Yes the UFC does have to pay for places like the MGM Grand. Vegas Baby, everyone business wants a piece of the pie.
That's all good but I think the sentiment most fans share is...then they need to figure it out, w/out the fighters being the one's that sacrifice financially. i think we can all agree on that, right?
When someone says, 'knows for a fact', it doesn't make it a fact unless they provide proof, until that proof is proffered it is an opinion. I can believe they may have given $1mil dollar checks, but because they choose to use secrecy to do it, they don't get any credit for it, unless they want to prove it.
If UFC fighters were getting 25%, or 30%, or 35%, and maybe even 40%, then we'd all know by now because Dana and Lorenzo would've held a press conference a long time ago to brag about. The UFC is known for a lot of things, but passing up a good PR opportunity is not one of them.
Guess I was brought up in a world where I tend to believe people until proven otherwise. Just because YOU have an issue with the UFC and the way they pay their fighters does not make Kenny a liar. I have stated before the UFC needs to be upfront with fighter pay and not so secretive, it will give fighters a better base for negotiation which will in turn benefit ALL fighters incomes. It would also help the UFC in how they are viewed by the public.
Lol, so you are going to insult my upbringing because I don't take, and give credit to, a UFC employee's word on whether or not they hand out million dollar checks. Real cute.
You're right they need to be upfront, and until they are, saying that there are million dollar envelopes is just hot air and they don't deserve to deflect criticism by saying that these secretive envelopes exist, because there is no way to prove or disprove it for anyone that doesn't have access to their books. They can either have their secrecy, or they can have their credit, but they can't have their cake and eat it too.
Florian knows that their contracts says the UFC does not allow them to tell anyone how much they make. They want everything to be a secret and keep all fighters in the dark.
They then give secret bonuses back stage so the media thinks they make more money and its fair when in reality is all cloak and dagger.
You can pay a fighter $49,000 and then give them a $200 bonus. When the media asks how come the fighter only got $49,000 the UFC can then say dont worry he got a bonus. The fans and media then think maybe the fighter was taken care of but its all semantics.
This is a really shady way to operate.
Its pretty psychological. Underpay your employee on the official salary, then pay them a "bonus" where they are still underpayed, but get them to believe they got a "bonus" so they are happy.
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"With a guy like Rory MacDonald... I can guarantee you that he was happy after that fight."
That could mean anything, especially if it's Rory that we're talking about.
That could mean anything, especially if it's Rory that we're talking about.
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Above board guys don't need to plagiarize other writers imo.
This was always especially hilarious to me. If we're talking significant money at all, people will notice your lifestyle change and hit you up accordingly. Explicit numbers don't matter.
It's like trying to keep your lottery win a secret. Hey, you got a new house and car! Good for you...how'd you do that, by the way? Oh, it's none of my business anyway. Listen, I hate to ask you this, but you got a little money I can borrow 'til next month?
Right...and besides, there is no secret. You cannot keep large sums of money a secret, unless you have ninja-level powers of miserliness.
It's the oldest form of employer manipulation. Cut everyone's pay, then issue it back on a performance basis. Or just low-ball it from the get go, and see who lines up to become your favorite monkeys.
In my late teens I applied for a job that paid a bit below the going hourly wage for that kind of work. If you were on time every day, they'd supposedly give you a "bonus" that then equaled that normal rate.
Had a sales job recently. After two months the boss cut commissions by a very substantial amount. But to "keep morale high" he would hand out cash bonuses now and then---pat you on the back and say "good job". Meanwhile your check was dogshit, and the bonuses didn't come close to making up for it. But most of the people there fell for the b.s. and saw him as a generous benefactor who gave out bonuses because he had so much heart and appreciation for his employees! He didn't have to hand out those bonuses after all!
I should clarify this, it is possibly Florian's opinion, who knows.
Who the fuck is listening to a Kenny Florian/Jon Anik podcast?? That makes my skin crawl just thinking about it.