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watch the second video down and tell me that punch that missed by a mile would've made him react like that lol
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I think this may be funky...I need to see it on a bigger screen and see replays of the landed punches to be completely convinced....the way Tenshin flopped to his belly after first knockdown is laughable to me

Might just be a dive for clicks paid for by Rizin...I can't blame em if so, Millions will watch these clips today...and they are all over youtube and not being taken down mysteriously

But I though Floyd Conor was in no way a legit fight so I tend to err on the side of disbelief if I sense funky body language in fights
 

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discustingly fake.
what a fucking joke.
almost as big of joke as jon juiciebones jones ped testing lol
 

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Why would you fix a fight when the outcome was clear when the fight was booked? Why fix it to make Floyd win? Why does Rizin pay Floyd so much money to come over, and then fix a fight to make their young star look terrible against him?

You don't. Tenshin flopped around oddly, but there is literally zero reason to fix that fight.

And Rambo John J @Rambo John J it's not mysterious when Rizin isn't taking things off of YouTube right after they air. I have watched every single Rizin fight I've ever seen on YouTube, and there's never been a fight I was looking for that wasn't on there.
 

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its all good bud I just know with all my being bro that wasn't a legit contest and the rule set, no win or lose clause and situation all around was messed up..I think floyd and rizin wanted to keep their names relevant and they paid that kid great money to be floyd's dance partner.. this controversy will hurt that kids credibility now and they set him up for failure from the get.
You just defeated your own idea imo.

If they're going to fix a fight for Floyd to win (which is stupid in the first place because Floyd was always going to win), why did they do it against their big prospect? Nobody gains from that.
 

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You just defeated your own idea imo.

If they're going to fix a fight for Floyd to win (which is stupid in the first place because Floyd was always going to win), why did they do it against their big prospect? Nobody gains from that.
film don't lie tenshin literally faked being hit.. the punch didn't even land and tee l he reacted to it... what is your reasoning for him. falling from a punch that was half a foot from him?
 

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film don't lie tenshin literally faked being hit.. the punch didn't even land and tee l he reacted to it... what is your reasoning for him. falling from a punch that was half a foot from him?
I was in the middle of responding to you earlier but I wasn't positive I had the same video, but I think you are looking at the right hand when in actuality it was the left hand that dropped him. Things look different in slow motion and timing-wise it's easy to assume that the fall was in time with the right hand, but the left hand is what did the damage. I also don't think it was a knockdown in the sense that it rocked his brain. I think he lost his balance.
 

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its comical ppl think it's so unthinkable for this to be fixed.. the fkn film don't lie.. the ws 1 legit punch that landed and hinsey eased only after floyd realized it was looking bad.. i'm over arguing with ppl that won't even acknowledge he fell from a phantom punch.
 

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First one was a trip

Second one was a hard dig to he body and a massive uppercut

By the third one he was already toast
 
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film don't lie tenshin literally faked being hit.. the punch didn't even land and tee l he reacted to it... what is your reasoning for him. falling from a punch that was half a foot from him?
Conor went 10 rounds with Floyd.

Even won the first few rounds
 

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I was in the middle of responding to you earlier but I wasn't positive I had the same video, but I think you are looking at the right hand when in actuality it was the left hand that dropped him. Things look different in slow motion and timing-wise it's easy to assume that the fall was in time with the right hand, but the left hand is what did the damage. I also don't think it was a knockdown in the sense that it rocked his brain. I think he lost his balance.
he seen the right coming and literally jerked his head bk like he was being hit by it...floyd was not even in shape she was throwing sloppy compared to his typical punches.. Japan has a history of theatrics with combat sports and wrestling and crossing them over..to think that wouldn't set this up to get paid and make it so nobody technically lost.. this is the same ppl that pay bob sapp to take dives constantly..ppl are too caught up in why they wouldn't do it and ask why they would... I'll never believe it wasn't
 

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its comical ppl think it's so unthinkable for this to be fixed.. the fkn film don't lie.. the ws 1 legit punch that landed and hinsey eased only after floyd realized it was looking bad.. i'm over arguing with ppl that won't even acknowledge he fell from a phantom punch.
I just addressed your point.

Also, you won't acknowledge that there's no reason to fix the fight.

"You know what would be good? If one of our best stars gets embarrassed and cries in the ring on our New Year's show! We gotta make sure this happens!"
 

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nobody technically lost
Tenshin cried like a baby in the ring. Someone lost this fight, clearly.

Even Caposa disagrees with you and he knows a looooooot more than me. Likely more than both of us. He said it's clear that it isn't a work, especially considering the fact that Rizin doesn't benefit from it.
 

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I know he did.. and connor didn't fall from a phantom punch and act so over dramatic..if he was that hurt like he ws putting on he couldn't have gained his composure that fast and moved around when just 10 seconds earlier he was flipping like a Mexican jumping bean.
 

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I just addressed your point.

Also, you won't acknowledge that there's no reason to fix the fight.

"You know what would be good? If one of our best stars gets embarrassed and cries in the ring on our New Year's show! We gotta make sure this happens!"
ask them why they fixed it.. why would they keep putting sakaraba their savior out there at 50 to get killed by manhoef? they don't give a fk about fighters they care about their organization..I wouldn't question shit if the fight wasn't a joke and there's 1000s that agree..
 

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ask them why they fixed it.. why would they keep putting sakaraba their savior out there at 50 to get killed by manhoef? they don't give a fk about fighters they care about their organization..I wouldn't question shit if the fight wasn't a joke and there's 1000s that agree..
Show me credible people who agree.

Also, what does their 50 year old savior getting killed by Manhoef have to do with fixing this fight? Why does them not giving a fuck about fighters have anything to do with this fight being fixed? You said they care about their organization. How does ensuring that Floyd embarrasses your star help your organization? There's no logic there.
 

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Caposa is the foremost expert with this shit, at least that I know of, and he's not on board because in this situation, a fix makes zero sense. Would have been the most unnecessary fix of all time.
 

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Show me credible people who agree.

Also, what does their 50 year old savior getting killed by Manhoef have to do with fixing this fight? Why does them not giving a fuck about fighters have anything to do with this fight being fixed? You said they care about their organization. How does ensuring that Floyd embarrasses your star help your organization? There's no logic there.
floyd ws co promoting with them he said himself.. show me a credible person that would put their prized possession in a fight that he was outmatched in every aspect? but if they make it a work floyd don't kill him and will pull his punches and everybody get paid...if they were so worried about the kid they would've never agreed to this shit.. and the whole exhibition clause matches it worse..
 

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if they were wanting to showcase their prodigy they wouldn't have put him in there with floyd period... for the yakuza and floyd to even be doing business is odd..