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Nov 21, 2015
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my Dad is a total astronomy nerd

too cheap to get a great telescope though even though he has cash

he uses a nice spotting scope lol...that is his next gift...but I can't get a good one like he can

what is a good telescope to get the guy

he lives away from light pollution in the boonies near mt shasta...I wanna see shit
"he lives away from light pollution in the boonies near mt shasta"

Damn he's so lucky!

Telescope: Depends on "how good" when you say "good telescope"

You can get a "good telescope" from $800 all the way to 25 Grand

Depends on what he wants to see... You can also rent/lease university grade level
telescopes and control them remotely from your computer... all for $40 buck a month
 

Rambo John J

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"he lives away from light pollution in the boonies near mt shasta"

Damn he's so lucky!

Telescope: Depends on "how good" when you say "good telescope"

You can get a "good telescope" from $800 all the way to 25 Grand

Depends on what he wants to see... You can also rent/lease university grade level
telescopes and control them remotely from your computer... all for $40 buck a month
I wanna do it onsite
I can't even afford 800 though, I got mortgages

I am gonna need to get him to splurge it seems

will try a rental but the internet barely works there...it is the booonies
 

Filthy

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I wanna do it onsite
I can't even afford 800 though, I got mortgages

I am gonna need to get him to splurge it seems

will try a rental but the internet barely works there...it is the booonies
The darkest place in the CONUS is in Oregon. They have festivities there all the time for astronomers.
 
Jan 21, 2015
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Mah Man! I recall your cosmic infatuation and have thought of getting a telescope my damn self.

I'm old enough to remember when before Google, people could look shit up on Encyclopedias - which we always had in our home.
It is amazing to me that with all our "smart" technology, people are dumber than ever in human history - and are proud to be stupid.

You can literally find the factual answer to anything in the palm of your hand in 6 seconds (including typing the search query).
Yet, here we are. Technology gets smarter, humans get dumber. The mind is truly boggled.
While not a flat earther, I gotta bring some balance here

'Encyclopedias' were/are wonderful but again I don't think its wise to give them all-trusting authority on reality. There is an interesting history of the Encyclopedia Britannica being bought up and managed by the Rockefellers. The original publishers put out 9 issues, then Rockefellers bought it and started running it at the turn of the century.

This is the 9th edition, before being bought up:


This is the next edition (curiously they skipped 10 and went straight to 11 for reasons I will not speculate on here, lol) Note the 'inc' at the bottom:


But seriously; an encyclopedia, claiming the authority on all facts about our reality, run by Rockefellers/Standard Oil, who had also bought out/were shaping the medical industry in their likeness, bribing politicians left and right, and even involved in wars and world politics etc etc etc? It seems ripe to me that the temptation to edit these encyclopedias very carefully in their favor on a number of topics would be too valuable to ignore. The ability to use this to steer entire generations of people towards their purely allopathic, capitalistic, atheistic, anglo-centered, consumerist goals imo is monstrous, and likely.

Flat earthers are for sure at the extreme and of keeping one's head in the sand, but IMHO so are those on the other end of the extreme who trust Encyclopedias, NASA, and other authoritarian sources without question in order to form their worldviews. Some folks even give NASA some sacred standing of absolute, almost religious faith and trust, forgetting that its is essentially just another wing of the US Government and Pentagon, which of course is only interested in truth and the betterment of humanity... right?
 
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While not a flat earther, I gotta bring some balance here

'Encyclopedias' were/are wonderful but again I don't think its wise to give them all-trusting authority on reality. There is an interesting history of the Encyclopedia Britannica being bought up and managed by the Rockefellers. The original publishers put out 9 issues, then Rockefellers bought it and started running it at the turn of the century.

This is the 9th edition, before being bought up:


This is the next edition (curiously they skipped 10 and went straight to 11 for reasons I will not speculate on here, lol) Note the 'inc' at the bottom:


But seriously; an encyclopedia, claiming the authority on all facts about our reality, run by Rockefellers/Standard Oil, who had also bought out/were shaping the medical industry in their likeness, bribing politicians left and right, and even involved in wars and world politics etc etc etc? It seems ripe to me that the temptation to edit these encyclopedias very carefully in their favor on a number of topics would be too valuable to ignore. The ability to use this to steer entire generations of people towards their purely allopathic, capitalistic, atheistic, anglo-centered, consumerist goals imo is monstrous, and likely.

Flat earthers are for sure at the extreme and of keeping one's head in the sand, but IMHO so are those on the other end of the extreme who trust Encyclopedias, NASA, and other authoritarian sources without question in order to form their worldviews. Some folks even give NASA some sacred standing of absolute, almost religious faith and trust, forgetting that its is essentially just another wing of the US Government and Pentagon, which of course is only interested in truth and the betterment of humanity... right?
I literally 100% agree with you here.

I think you misunderstand me

I don't trust any government. NASA was once a hideaway for Nazis for petes sake.

That doesn't stop one from becoming scientifically literate though
 

Rambo John J

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The darkest place in the CONUS is in Oregon. They have festivities there all the time for astronomers.
He is north cali

I am southern willamette valley...off the main roads it gets really dark and there is zero people for sure
I saw the stars great on big Island hawaii on top of the volcano, that was cool and actually cold as hell
 
Nov 21, 2015
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The darkest place in the CONUS is in Oregon. They have festivities there all the time for astronomers.
Our Astronomy club here in SoCal has 3 dark sites. One out in Yucca Valley
in the desert above Palm Springs is really nice.

I rent telescopes remotely that are domed in New Mexico and Australia
when I really want to get some nice shots
 
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He is north cali

I am southern willamette valley...off the main roads it gets really dark and there is zero people for sure
I saw the stars great on big Island hawaii on top of the volcano, that was cool and actually cold as hell
My Giant Ass Zhumells for when I'm too lazy to open my domes and drag out
the big gun 11" and 16" Scopes (which is 99% of the time)



 

ender852

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Mah Man! I recall your cosmic infatuation and have thought of getting a telescope my damn self.

I'm old enough to remember when before Google, people could look shit up on Encyclopedias - which we always had in our home.
It is amazing to me that with all our "smart" technology, people are dumber than ever in human history - and are proud to be stupid.

You can literally find the factual answer to anything in the palm of your hand in 6 seconds (including typing the search query).
Yet, here we are. Technology gets smarter, humans get dumber. The mind is truly boggled.
I think humans were always this dumb, but technology allows you to come into contact with more of them than ever before in history
 

Grateful Dude

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"he lives away from light pollution in the boonies near mt shasta"

Damn he's so lucky!

Telescope: Depends on "how good" when you say "good telescope"

You can get a "good telescope" from $800 all the way to 25 Grand

Depends on what he wants to see... You can also rent/lease university grade level
telescopes and control them remotely from your computer... all for $40 buck a month
Have any recommendations for brand/model of a Dobsonian scope? I’ve looked into them a few times, but always get lost shopping and ultimately get sidetracked. It’s about the right time where I want to get one for my son.

I don’t know much about scopes, but the dobsonians sounded like what I’d want (more detail for deeper objects, etc).
 

Grateful Dude

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The darkest place in the CONUS is in Oregon. They have festivities there all the time for astronomers.
Flagstaff is a good spot too. They have a big observatory there that I’m sure is affiliated with the university. It’s a “low-light” town, have special rules in the city about outdoor lighting at night. Pretty amazing to be somewhere without all the artificial light, even with the naked eye you can see so much.
 
Nov 21, 2015
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Have any recommendations for brand/model of a Dobsonian scope? I’ve looked into them a few times, but always get lost shopping and ultimately get sidetracked. It’s about the right time where I want to get one for my son.

I don’t know much about scopes, but the dobsonians sounded like what I’d want (more detail for deeper objects, etc).
A Dob aficionado eh?

Me too... Nothing like a Dob. I'll have to dig up the manufacturer but theres a guy
that builds the absolute best Dobs around. Nothing compares to his
 

Filthy

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Flagstaff is a good spot too. They have a big observatory there that I’m sure is affiliated with the university. It’s a “low-light” town, have special rules in the city about outdoor lighting at night. Pretty amazing to be somewhere without all the artificial light, even with the naked eye you can see so much.
I grew up 30 miles from the nearest stop light, in Iowa. But there are some places in Wyoming where the sheer enormity of the sky is humbling. I used to go up to the mountains near Payson in AZ and camp, beautiful night skies.