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Never_Rolled

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So here is my tale of woe. I put on a heavy duty Hager spring hinge on a waiting room door. An employee kept leaving the door open. The employee is no longer there so this might not be an issue as that problem resolved itself.

The main issue is this is a commercial office building but the interior build out used residential materials. I took the door off mortised the hinge properly on the door and the frame. I drilled starter holes in the frame and door. I also put one longer screw in the frame. I took every precaution but it seems the screws still pulled out of the frame after a couple months. I don't think there is anything else back there despite using a longer screw I didn't feel it grab any better. To be clear this hinge acts as a door closer.

Taking the frame off and attaching a thicker piece of wood behind the frame is beyond my expertise which I think would be the best way to fix this. My next plan was the put wooden tooth picks in the screw-holes and use heavy duty wood glue on the frame side of the hinge and not open the door for the weekend. The other options are to just remove it or they make a spring loaded hinge pin that I could put in one of the original hinges.

Do you think using heavy duty wood glue would hold this or will it let loose again?
 
MMAHAWK

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Are you talking a spring loaded hinge closer like this?

 
MMAHAWK

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Never_Rolled said:
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So without removing the frame the easiest way is filling the hole with wood and glue as you said. Don’t use toothpicks tho. Get a piece of wood like a wood shim. Break of a single piece slightly bigger than the hole , add some glue and hammer it in as far and tight as possible. Break of flush with the frame. Won’t last forever but it’s the way I did it for 20 years in finish carpentry.



 
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MMAHAWK said:
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So without removing the frame the easiest way is filling the hole with wood and glue as you said. Don’t use toothpicks tho. Get a piece of wood like a wood shim. Break of a single piece slightly bigger than the hole , add some glue and hammer it in as far and tight as possible. Break of flush with the frame. Won’t last forever but it’s the way I did it for 20 years in finish carpentry.



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Thanks. It's annoying they used residential grade products on an office interior. I've replaced most of the door hardware too. These are two hinge hollow core doors if you can believe that in a commercial setting.
 
MMAHAWK

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Never_Rolled said:
Thanks. It's annoying they used residential grade products on an office interior. I've replaced most of the door hardware too. These are two hinge hollow core doors if you can believe that in a commercial setting.
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Surprised it hasn’t ripped out of the door already
 
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MMAHAWK said:
Surprised it hasn’t ripped out of the door already
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Door side held up well. Probably if I shore up the frame that will be next. I am going to employ both your ideas and hopefully this is good for a while. I didn't set the tension that high either. The first or second notch.
 
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MMAHAWK said:
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So without removing the frame the easiest way is filling the hole with wood and glue as you said. Don’t use toothpicks tho. Get a piece of wood like a wood shim. Break of a single piece slightly bigger than the hole , add some glue and hammer it in as far and tight as possible. Break of flush with the frame. Won’t last forever but it’s the way I did it for 20 years in finish carpentry.



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N @Never_Rolled apply the glue to both surfaces. Makes da strongest bond trust me.
 
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MMAHAWK said:
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So without removing the frame the easiest way is filling the hole with wood and glue as you said. Don’t use toothpicks tho. Get a piece of wood like a wood shim. Break of a single piece slightly bigger than the hole , add some glue and hammer it in as far and tight as possible. Break of flush with the frame. Won’t last forever but it’s the way I did it for 20 years in finish carpentry.



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Don't know if they're big enough here, but I used golf tees with glue when I had to rehang my bathroom door and they worked pretty well.
 
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nuraknu said:
Don't know if they're big enough here, but I used golf tees with glue when I had to rehang my bathroom door and they worked pretty well.
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I think the main issue is the frame isn't thick and there isn't backing behind it.
 
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Your city better not read this thread because if they know you have residential doors in a commercial building you’re fucked. If the fire department comes in your ass is theirs too.

I would order a new commercial fire rated door and jamb with self closing hinges from me. Ask an inspector if a simple 20 minute fire rating is fine or if you need a 90 minute rating.

I’m totally serious about this. You’re fucked in the asshole if you don’t replace the door and jamb. Might as well burn the place down right now.

I’ll give you a TMMAC 10% off discount if you buy from me. There will be an additional $10,000 shipping fee.
 
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