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Evolution depends on time.
Religion depends on time.
Both fight with geology.
If you discredit one, you discredit foundational beliefs that help form personality & worldview.
Either way you believe, it's attacking one's "personhood" so it's a Hot Topic.
I guess,...but to the best of my knowledge, experiments and studies have shown, at the very least, evolution explains adaptations on the micro level. If that is false or not shouldn't matter to anyone's psychological or emotional well-being.
 
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I do however find the argument that I or others must be thinking a certain way because of a faux-religion of science and academia offensive. That is an ad hominem used by the video to discredit anyone other than those in the video. It is indeed a personal attack.

They answer a fake interview with such accusations instead of the data points.
If you're referring to the segment which more/less gets started at 39:20 (and goes on for 5 minutes or so) then that is a mischaracterization of what was stated. If you're not referring to that segment then which part are you on about?
 

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I guess,...but to the best of my knowledge, experiments and studies have shown, at the very least, evolution explains adaptations on the micro level. If that is false or not shouldn't matter to anyone's psychological or emotional well-being.
It's not evolution that shows adaptations, it's adaptations that show adaptations.
Abiogenesis is founded on theories based entirely on presumption.

I started as a rock hound as a kid, moved on to geology, then carbon dating, r.decay etc., which is all based on conditions being exactly as they are, give or take.
Mankind is still discovering elements.
They're not even close to close to having all the factors of this universe, or planet.
EG: an iron/nickel core & a few thousand miles of magma.
This is a theory based on electromagnetics of the earth.
We haven't broke the crust.
Mankind is arrogant and misled.
They still teach "in college" that the black plague was caused by bacterium in the feces of lice on rats.

It's my worldview and assertion, that we don't have any more solidification of common theories than we do the winds.
I don't know the weather in ten days, despite every computer model available, but we know "dinosaurs" lived hundreds of millions of years ago.
And they find a hammer in that rock...
 
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It's not evolution that shows adaptations, it's adaptations that show adaptations.
Abiogenesis is founded on theories based entirely on presumption.
I don't have a horse in this race so this isn't me debating one way or the other, but can't we call those adaptations an expression, at least on some scale, of evolution?
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I don't have a horse in this race so this isn't me debating one way or the other, but can't we call those adaptations an expression, at least on some scale, as evolution?
Well that's exactly what got the ball rolling.
It's been called that forever, but we need to be clear on premise and definition or it goes off the hinges.
Yes, you can call that evolution, truthfully, but not beyond what we can scientifically replicate or observe into other realms, like one entirely different species into another. Inherently the word implies a different meaning.
This is why I called this the "premier religion" of our time.
It, like others, requires no empirical data and the timeframe is beyond human recorded history and beyond proof.
It's conjecture, like Black Holes....... La Paix @BirdWatcher
 

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Well that's exactly what got the ball rolling.
It's been called that forever, but we need to be clear on premise and definition or it goes off the hinges.
Yes, you can call that evolution, truthfully, but not beyond what we can scientifically replicate or observe into other realms, like one entirely different species into another. Inherently the word implies a different meaning.
This is why I called this the "premier religion" of our time.
It, like others, requires no empirical data and the timeframe is beyond human recorded history and beyond proof.
It's conjecture, like Black Holes....... La Paix @BirdWatcher
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Leigh @Leigh , what do you think about all this?
My thoughts will probably be offensive to some but I'll answer the question, as you've asked.

I think we have a desire to make sense of the world and in a lot of cases, that desire exceeds our ability (or willingness to make the effort) to understand the correct details, so some people accept the simpler solution, despite a lack of evidence or even with evidence to the contrary.
 

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I honestly have no idea why some people are so opinionated on this topic- it doesn't matter what any of us wants to or doesn't want to think is true. To me it's interesting to hear how some people think as long as they're not being cunts and pricks about it...which is why a few people's posts on this thread are rather disappointing.
I assume you're including me in that, as you gave me a drunk rating. I'm not sure what I posted that was prickish or cuntish but I'm sorry I offended you.
 
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I assume you're including me in that, as you gave me a drunk rating. I'm not sure what I posted that was prickish or cuntish but I'm sorry I offended you.
Have you been offended by every post which you've given a drunk rating?
I think it's possible for a person to be cuntish or prickish without being offensive, but opinions may vary.
 
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My thoughts will probably be offensive to some but I'll answer the question, as you've asked.

I think we have a desire to make sense of the world and in a lot of cases, that desire exceeds our ability (or willingness to make the effort) to understand the correct details, so some people accept the simpler solution, despite a lack of evidence or even with evidence to the contrary.
Just to be fair, yes there are some people who will accept simper explanations of things but there are also some who have not accepted any simple or complex solutions to this one. Some people are in the unconvinced camp regarding a great many things and hence become thought dissidents or conspiracy theorists, etc.
Of course it's tempting to assume everyone who doesn't believe what you do as being lazy or incapable of subscribing to your beliefs...but that might be showing an inability (or lack of willingness) to understand others.
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Well that's exactly what got the ball rolling.
It's been called that forever, but we need to be clear on premise and definition or it goes off the hinges.
Yes, you can call that evolution, truthfully, but not beyond what we can scientifically replicate or observe into other realms, like one entirely different species into another. Inherently the word implies a different meaning.
This is why I called this the "premier religion" of our time.
It, like others, requires no empirical data and the timeframe is beyond human recorded history and beyond proof.
It's conjecture, like Black Holes....... La Paix @BirdWatcher
Okay, I get what you're saying as far as adaptation vs evolution and that's the point where I'm not 100% on board with what I understand the theory of evolution to entail. People have told me that micro-evolution has been observed and replicated in laboratories but any time I ask, I get something that is a vague reference to something, or a some asshole who instead of trying to relate what he knows, floods me (flexes) with scientific terms to sufficiently obscure.
 

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Just to be fair, yes there are some people who will accept simper explanations of things but there are also some who have not accepted any simple or complex solutions to this one. Some people are in the unconvinced camp regarding a great many things and hence become thought dissidents or conspiracy theorists, etc.
Of course it's tempting to assume everyone who doesn't believe what you do as being lazy or incapable of subscribing to your beliefs...but that might be showing an inability (or lack of willingness) to understand others.
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That's not the case here.

If you know something is fact (eg germ theory) and people question it or deny it and their argument is based on a logical fallacy, then they have an inability or unwillingness to comprehend the subject matter.

Your posts, for example, display numerous logical fallacies. Strawman, ad hominem and non-sequitur at a minimum.