This is only for parents and grandparents of citizens.
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And?
It's Emergency insurance coverage as a requirement for visa. Same thing Trump is doing for our visas. Same thing tons of countries do. I traveled fairly extensively in the last few years and often and require to show proof of medical insurance for a visa.
Be unhappy with Trump all you want but this is hardly a move without precedent in much of the rest of the world, including your country.
Im not arguing the quality of the policy.
Im just pointing out it is not exactly an equal comparison.
It's not a mandatory requirement for Canada.
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Okay, let me make the appeal to Europe then since you don't have a problem with Canada's "war on immigrant parents"
Schengen Visa Insurance – Europe Travel Insurance for Schengen Visa
Schengen Visa Insurance Requirements
Medical insurance for Schengen visa must meet the following criteria:
- Minimum coverage of at least 30,000 EUR (equivalent to 50,000 USD).
- It should cover all member states of the Schengen Area.
- Cover any expenses which might arise in connection with repatriation for medical reasons, urgent health attention and/or emergency hospital treatment or death.
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That's for holiday makers to get hospital treatment, not immigrants. Immigrants contribute to society through taxes and as such get health care.
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For record, I view this as nothing more than a policy difference. Europe, Canada, damn near every single non-anglophone country I've ever visited, has a requirement that I pay for my care. This is often just for a tourist visa for 2 weeks, let alone a longer term visa in which I would have to give them my bank account details to prove I could afford to stay. No I don't think this is a "war on immigrants", though I'm not speaking the admin larger policy goals.
I do however think this highlights an issue with family based immigration and what the goals are vs skills based. As well as job linked insurance.
If a person is working a job visa, it is theoretically because that job that is soooo hard to fill we can't do it domestically apparently. They should of course then be fully implemented into the system including job linked insurance, being that is the system we have devised. Same with students that are all offered student insurance, etc etc.
We allow a much broader family definition than other countries while a much narrower job visa program. And now we are pushing counter policies without the underlying issues being addressed.
{insert link to any number of individual country residency requirements that you must carry insurance or show straight up cash to move from temp visa to resident}
See above. I don't entirely disagree with your view on trade off, but our lack of public health system except for the ED and job linked insurance sets a totally separate comparison to your NHS. A closer comparison might be Germany in which you can by into or out of the system with hundreds of plans, but the law still requires insurance for everyone. That leaves only the Trump gap of disallowing valid visa holders from participating in the subsidized ACA which is analogous to any of the subsidized two tier systems in countries that do not look like the NHS. Germany allows the purchase into the subsidized plans. If anything, this makes a good case by Trump to require American purchase of ACA subsidized plans as Obama admin designed.
For those angry with this, did you support the ACA? aka American citizens being required to purchase marketplace insurance? Be honest now.( I did! :-x )
I do however think this highlights an issue with family based immigration and what the goals are vs skills based. As well as job linked insurance.
If a person is working a job visa, it is theoretically because that job that is soooo hard to fill we can't do it domestically apparently. They should of course then be fully implemented into the system including job linked insurance, being that is the system we have devised. Same with students that are all offered student insurance, etc etc.
We allow a much broader family definition than other countries while a much narrower job visa program. And now we are pushing counter policies without the underlying issues being addressed.
Let's stay focused. It's visa holders outside of immigrant parent children, asylum seekers, and refugees. Not just immigrants and not those without visa requirements.
{insert link to any number of individual country residency requirements that you must carry insurance or show straight up cash to move from temp visa to resident}
See above. I don't entirely disagree with your view on trade off, but our lack of public health system except for the ED and job linked insurance sets a totally separate comparison to your NHS. A closer comparison might be Germany in which you can by into or out of the system with hundreds of plans, but the law still requires insurance for everyone. That leaves only the Trump gap of disallowing valid visa holders from participating in the subsidized ACA which is analogous to any of the subsidized two tier systems in countries that do not look like the NHS. Germany allows the purchase into the subsidized plans. If anything, this makes a good case by Trump to require American purchase of ACA subsidized plans as Obama admin designed.
For those angry with this, did you support the ACA? aka American citizens being required to purchase marketplace insurance? Be honest now.( I did! :-x )
There's no war on immigrant parents, ya goof.
You realize that's just for tourists specifically seeking the 10 year super visa? There are other visas you know.
Insurance not required. And certainly absolutely not required in order to immigrate.
Do you even read your own article?
"Even though travel health insurance is worth having for all travelers to Europe, not everyone is required to have it. Travel insurance policy is a mandatory requirement only for travelers who need to apply for a Schengen visa."
Translation - don't want to get one visa for multiple Schengen countries and have to buy insurance?
Simply get individual visas, and bypass insurance.
Both very different from the new
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My hyperbole to yours.
Point is, visas often require insurance coverage throughout the world.
Please make the case on why they shouldn't instead of being so concrete describing ways to circumvent Schengen requirements.
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@Zeph can you link me to anything about "public charge" as a topic in Europe?I'm listening to guys like this, but a google is full of US news politicking the topic.
How does the 'public charge' rule work in Europe?
I didn't.
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Interesting how we came here. I wanted it, not out of principal really (government forcing the purchase of a private vehicle. I actually supported the whole thing -- requirement + coop competition), but rather to force the actual cost to the forefront such that hopefully said subsidies would then become a voting issue. Marketplace is too expensive that could become a voting issue directly versus the current and previous nebulous "fix healthcare" that politicians all say that will tackle.
Why were you against it?
I was out once they 86ed the public option. Not even the GOP's fault as they were already a firm no no matter what. Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman held the bill hostage. The Medicaid expansion was insufficient, especially since states could opt out. I also didn't like being forced to buy a product at the behest of the state, particularly without accompanying price controls. It was a market based solution to hopefully trigger a public solution down the road, but in my view the political damage along the way hasn't been worth it.
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This is the most surprising part of your post to me.
Damage to...individuals caught in these last years? The greater mission of selling Americans on solution X for healthcare?
So meth?
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I dunno. I've seen trump make a lot of trips to the heartland where
@Kneeblock tells me there are meth addicted whites
When the "perfect call" goes wrong, blame... the outgoing guy!
Trump Blames Rick Perry for ‘Perfect’ Ukraine Call
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Perry ran for governor and it was a big deal that everyone knew he had eyes on national politics. When asked repeatedly if he would continue with focus on Texas or win the governor just to start leaving for his own political ambitions he swore it was all Texas. Then he ran for president, twice.
Hes the worst type of Republican that only uses shallow culture wars to keep himself in power.
I won't mind if Trump finds a way to bring him down with him.
What do you mean by public charge?
I'm listening to guys like this, but a google is full of US news politicking the topic.
How does the 'public charge' rule work in Europe?
Politically it wasn't worth it. They gave up single payer in hopes of getting there down the road and it sparked the wave of reactionism we're still dealing with to this day. If they'd held to their convictions and screwed over the cornhuskers and Sith Lords, the Dems could've gotten single payer and the accompanying political capital from it. This incrementalism lost them Congress, 2016, and the Supreme Court.
It's 9 AM right now. If you'd like, I could take a drive through parts of Northern Kentucky and take a video of the meth-heads climbing out of the bushes after crashing from last night. There are 3 types of people on the street on a Sunday morning around here:I've seen trump make a lot of trips to the heartland where
- Joggers
- Church-goers
- Meth-heads doing their best zombie impersonations while they try to remember where the fuck they live.
yeah, but you have a lot of functioning meth-heads who work...probably because there's nothing worth stealing.I dunno. I've seen trump make a lot of trips to the heartland where
but I think Trump would go for OTC UK Sudafed over prescribed Adderall if he thought his medical records could come under review.
real estate moguls don't have to worry about that stuff in their 40s...but it gets more relevant as you get older or closer to public office.
