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Bones Nose said:
12:12 pm: A dog in Hong Kong tests positive for the coronavirus, WHO confirms
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Yeah but that's the one that was low level. It's not clear that dog contracted the disease. It probably didn't.
Most likely it just acts as a vector but highlights how respiratory droplets can transmit in weird ways.
Banning the eating of dogs won't change that.
 
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Splinty said:
Yeah but that's the one that was low level. It's not clear that dog contracted the disease. It probably didn't.
Most likely it just acts as a vector but highlights how respiratory droplets can transmit in weird ways.
Banning the eating of dogs won't change that.
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I think that was yesterday. I think they did proper tests and found it was a legit case in the dog. I could be wrong but it's been confirmed by the WHO I dont think they would speculate
 
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wait, they are trying to ban dogs?
or just dogs in markets?

either way the banning of stuff will just create blackmarkets/underground markets.

I will say early in this thread Garcon posted some truly disturbing videos(to my western eyes) of those markets...crazy stuff going on in those markets...and the dudes eating things while alive also fucked me up.

Personally I think this thing is lab made, but I really don't know shit about that stuff so just speculating.
 
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Inside Job said:
dude on podcast yesterday said animals will spread it...insects also
for whatever that is worth

I dunno
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For a huge number of reasons in virology, it is really unlikely that a disease can infect humans and non simian animals. And for those same reasons when this does happen it's usually very deadly to one of the two. And because of that it isn't a very good disease. It jumps it kills the other being and it doesn't spread. specifically this is the challenge with things like bird flu and now another novel Corona virus. It makes the jump and it's a little more mild so it can actually spread.

But to have that jump occur and not just go to one more animal but many more animals would be very very unlikely. Especially unrelated animals.
 
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Splinty said:
For a huge number of reasons in virology, it is really unlikely that a disease can infect humans and non simian animals. And for those same reasons when this does happen it's usually very deadly to one of the two. And because of that it isn't a very good disease. It jumps it kills the other being and it doesn't spread. specifically this is the challenge with things like bird flu and now another novel Corona virus. It makes the jump and it's a little more mild so it can actually spread.

But to have that jump occur and not just go to one more animal but many more animals would be very very unlikely. Especially unrelated animals.
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roger that

Like I said I dunno
 
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JonJonesBeard said:
Are you sure these things are related? Because that's not where the virus came from.
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Did you see the video I posted before.
90% chance it came from bats.
Anyway I am was not talking about any relations, just that some animals will be saved from torture.
 
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Inside Job said:
wait, they are trying to ban dogs?
or just dogs in markets?

either way the banning of stuff will just create blackmarkets/underground markets.

I will say early in this thread Garcon posted some truly disturbing videos(to my western eyes) of those markets...crazy stuff going on in those markets...and the dudes eating things while alive also fucked me up.

Personally I think this thing is lab made, but I really don't know shit about that stuff so just speculating.
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In markets for meat
 
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Splinty said:
You're right but...
China is banning eating a whole bunch of different types of animals that might be sources of future viruses. They're trying to disrupt the live animal markets as a whole. So that probably includes dogs. There are canine influenzas so a similar zoonotic jump isn't out of the question theoretically.

Shenzhen to ban eating cats and dogs under coronavirus curbs
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If only there were some sort of wildlife management model that could account for these kinds of things...
 
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Splinty said:
For a huge number of reasons in virology, it is really unlikely that a disease can infect humans and non simian animals. And for those same reasons when this does happen it's usually very deadly to one of the two. And because of that it isn't a very good disease. It jumps it kills the other being and it doesn't spread. specifically this is the challenge with things like bird flu and now another novel Corona virus. It makes the jump and it's a little more mild so it can actually spread.

But to have that jump occur and not just go to one more animal but many more animals would be very very unlikely. Especially unrelated animals.
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Hey Doc, do you think it's better that they:

A) Just say fuck it and let the virus spread to reduce the extra economic damage (uncertainty being a big factor) associated with what is looking like increasingly futile containment efforts.

B) Throw the kitchen sink at containment efforts to try to stop it in its tracks to prevent the health system from being overwhelmed.

C) Buy some time with containment efforts to give health autorities valuable prep time but knowing they can't ultimately do shit to stop it, and just eventually let it run its course.

Seems like option C is the best option. B could do way more economic damage and prolong the crisis if it fails. But for once I will acknowledge that I'm a retard in this field and you would know better.
 
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Splinty said:
For a huge number of reasons in virology, it is really unlikely that a disease can infect humans and non simian animals. And for those same reasons when this does happen it's usually very deadly to one of the two. And because of that it isn't a very good disease. It jumps it kills the other being and it doesn't spread. specifically this is the challenge with things like bird flu and now another novel Corona virus. It makes the jump and it's a little more mild so it can actually spread.

But to have that jump occur and not just go to one more animal but many more animals would be very very unlikely. Especially unrelated animals.
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What about mosquitoes? The little fuckers are everywhere in florida. If a mosquito bit a infected person wouldnt he be contaminated with the virus? I know theres multiple illness/virus/dieseases that can be transferred by them
 
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Bones Nose said:
What about mosquitoes? The little fuckers are everywhere in florida. If a mosquito bit a infected person wouldnt he be contaminated with the virus? I know theres multiple illness/virus/dieseases that can be transferred by them
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Yeah but those animals aren't infected. They are vectors holding the diseased blood instead.

So I could see the dog easily being vectors by spreading around infecting saliva, but it would be pretty crazy to see a virus that can infect bats and humans and dogs. And then to have that same virus not immediately kill one of them.
 
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Hey Doc, do you think it's better that they:

A) Just say fuck it and let the virus spread to reduce the extra economic damage (uncertainty being a big factor) associated with what is looking like increasingly futile containment efforts.

B) Throw the kitchen sink at containment efforts to try to stop it in its tracks to prevent the health system from being overwhelmed.

C) Buy some time with containment efforts to give health autorities valuable prep time but knowing they can't ultimately do shit to stop it, and just eventually let it run its course.

Seems like option C is the best option. B could do way more economic damage and prolong the crisis if it fails. But for once I will acknowledge that I'm a retard in this field and you would know better.
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We are kind of doing b and c.
everything I'm reading everyone is basically saying that this thing is here to stay and will float like flu.
So the most important thing is buying enough time to get vaccines up and running and prep health systems to respond to the 5% or whatever that get really sick (mostly elderly).

I don't think you can just throw your hands on them and let it go. Assuming this becomes seasonal, next season will be much more ready just like swine flu. Swine flu is still going around but now it's incorporated in the vaccines.
 
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Splinty said:
We are kind of doing b and c.
everything I'm reading everyone is basically saying that this thing is here to stay and will float like flu.
So the most important thing is buying enough time to get vaccines up and running and prep health systems to respond to the 5% or whatever that get really sick (mostly elderly).

I don't think you can just throw your hands on them and let it go. Assuming this becomes seasonal, next season will be much more ready just like swine flu. Swine flu is still going around but now it's incorporated in the vaccines.
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Different perspective, but I do think it's the bad economic signals and misunderstandings that are the only real threat. The Fed has already signaled willingness to intervene to try and keep the ridiculous cheap credit-fueled bubble going, and they are already almost out of monetary policy ammunition that they are going to waste even more on. Political system is currently too fucked for effective fiscal policy too.

For the non-elderly the threat is not getting the sniffles - we'll get on top of that one way or the other and regular economic activity will resume as normal. The main threat is some guy called Jerome Powell announcing to a bunch of speculators 'I am your little fuck toy and I will do whatever you want'.
 
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Different perspective, but I do think it's the bad economic signals and misunderstandings that are the only real threat. The Fed has already signaled willingness to intervene to try and keep the ridiculous cheap credit-fueled bubble going, and they are already almost out of monetary policy ammunition that they are going to waste even more on. Political system is currently too fucked for effective fiscal policy too.
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Yeah I can see that. I do worry that our monetary choices are bad at this boom time economy already.
 
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It's kind of funny that they did that joke about SARS, which killed about 15% of people but only like 3-4% of people under 45 - but it did do the business on old people, killing half of them - and then we've got this virus which is literally a 98% chance even including old people. SARS was apocalyptic compared to this shit. Trey and Matt would be pissing themselves at the hysteria.
 
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