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Splinty

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I am in the middle. And I'm aware that the media ALWAYS sensationalizes everything.

I'm fine with the shutdowns. If it keeps old people from getting it and some grandmas and grandpas don't die, cool.

But I disagree that there is a reason to panic. There's not. We go thru one of these things every couple of years. This one appears to be very contagious but not particularly deadly unless you are old or otherwise comromised.
This is very different than previous MERS, SARS, Swine flu. They all start the same with the same response. So that is true, the same. And some of those were more deadly. But dead people solve the viral transmission problem for us. We are now in the steps AFTER failing to contain and vaccinate.This is not something any of us have seen in our lifetime.

The biggest issue is not the disease but the utter lack of basic response in things like testing. The disease remains the same. That paradox of individual threat vs public health, etc. It remains a minimal health threat to most of the population but the TIMING of it all at once means MAJOR public health alert. It is a Swine flu season all at once without vaccines available to buffer and create viral firewalls in the population. Our tools are minimal and we aren't using the ones we have.

Panic never helps. No one is saying to panic. And outside of my constant griping about testing, the fix is pretty easy...though people aren't doing it...just stay the hell home and watch TV. But still, when we aren't responding with testing and science that is proven early, then we are just watching the massive problem come that is WAY MORE preventable. And when it does, 500,000 Americans will die in the best of guesses. And it would be way worse if we weren't so lucky to be riding this thing into the warm months so soon. And it could still be way worse if people buck the social distancing and overload our modern healthcare system. They will mostly be our parents and grandparents but I don't find that comforting.

I remain hopeful that human ingenuity is on display as it always has been. But I am astonished at the failure to do basic testing early. I could have never imagined that would happen and with it all options to fail big are on the table.
 

Hauler

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So what’s your thoughts on it being labelled a national emergency ?
It hasn't been handled well. Everything happening now - with things changing day to day - feels very reactionary. Kentucky was like: "Ohio closed their restaurants? We better do that too." Then Indiana did the same thing 2 hours later.

It's a national emergency but most decisions are still being made locally. I think he only declared it an "emergency" to open the path to funding, right?
 

ThatOneDude

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This is very different than previous MERS, SARS, Swine flu. They all start the same with the same response. So that is true, the same. And some of those were more deadly. But dead people solve the viral transmission problem for us. We are now in the steps AFTER failing to contain and vaccinate.This is not something any of us have seen in our lifetime.

The biggest issue is not the disease but the utter lack of basic response in things like testing. The disease remains the same. That paradox of individual threat vs public health, etc. It remains a minimal health threat to most of the population but the TIMING of it all at once means MAJOR public health alert. It is a Swine flu season all at once without vaccines available to buffer and create viral firewalls in the population. Our tools are minimal and we aren't using the ones we have.

Panic never helps. No one is saying to panic. And outside of my constant griping about testing, the fix is pretty easy...though people aren't doing it...just stay the hell home and watch TV. But still, when we aren't responding with testing and science that is proven early, then we are just watching the massive problem come that is WAY MORE preventable. And when it does, 500,000 Americans will die in the best of guesses. And it would be way worse if we weren't so lucky to be riding this thing into the warm months so soon. And it could still be way worse if people buck the social distancing and overload our modern healthcare system. They will mostly be our parents and grandparents but I don't find that comforting.

I remain hopeful that human ingenuity is on display as it always has been. But I am astonished at the failure to do basic testing early. I could have never imagined that would happen and with it, all options to fail big are on the table.
I'm not a doctor, why do the warm months help us with this?
 

silentsinger

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Jun 23, 2015
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Fortunately still working, but not a citizen. I shall not complain.
Not sure how much my and husband's medical insurance is going to cost at the end of month but neither of us can do without it.

Fuck, anyone not taking this seriously, stop not taking this seriously.
 

Hauler

Been fallin so long it's like gravitys gone
Feb 3, 2016
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This is very different than previous MERS, SARS, Swine flu. They all start the same with the same response. So that is true, the same. And some of those were more deadly. But dead people solve the viral transmission problem for us. We are now in the steps AFTER failing to contain and vaccinate.This is not something any of us have seen in our lifetime.

The biggest issue is not the disease but the utter lack of basic response in things like testing. The disease remains the same. That paradox of individual threat vs public health, etc. It remains a minimal health threat to most of the population but the TIMING of it all at once means MAJOR public health alert. It is a Swine flu season all at once without vaccines available to buffer and create viral firewalls in the population. Our tools are minimal and we aren't using the ones we have.

Panic never helps. No one is saying to panic. And outside of my constant griping about testing, the fix is pretty easy...though people aren't doing it...just stay the hell home and watch TV. But still, when we aren't responding with testing and science that is proven early, then we are just watching the massive problem come that is WAY MORE preventable. And when it does, 500,000 Americans will die in the best of guesses. And it would be way worse if we weren't so lucky to be riding this thing into the warm months so soon. And it could still be way worse if people buck the social distancing and overload our modern healthcare system. They will mostly be our parents and grandparents but I don't find that comforting.

I remain hopeful that human ingenuity is on display as it always has been. But I am astonished at the failure to do basic testing early. I could have never imagined that would happen and with it, all options to fail big are on the table.
Good info.
 

Splinty

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I'm not a doctor, why do the warm months help us with this?

probably a combination of things. We see it in every respiratory droplet disease. People distance from each other more and warmer months getting outside instead of saying all the same room together.
Respiratory droplet pathogens typically need a moist envelope to keep them alive. so now when somebody snots or sneezes or coughs and leaves it on a surface that you're going to pick up it's ability to live outside the body is drastically shortened. The moment that water evaporates the virus dies.
 

ThatOneDude

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probably a combination of things. We see it in every respiratory droplet disease. People distance from each other more and warmer months getting outside instead of saying all the same room together.
Respiratory droplet pathogens typically need a moist envelope to keep them alive. so now when somebody snots or sneezes or coughs and leaves it on a surface that you're going to pick up it's ability to live outside the body is drastically shortened. The moment that water evaporates the virus dies.
Thanks for the info.
 
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Swine Flu, Bird Flu, Mad Cow Disease, and now this one which started because someone ate a Bat....... Maybe stop eating meat, I mean, you don't have any "Spinach Flu" or "Beyond Burger Disease"..... Yes there has been some E coli situations, but bad romaine lettuce never took out the NBA finals, or Coachella.
 

silentsinger

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Swine Flu, Bird Flu, Mad Cow Disease, and now this one which started because someone ate a Bat....... Maybe stop eating meat, I mean, you don't have any "Spinach Flu" or "Beyond Burger Disease"..... Yes there has been some E coli situations, but bad romaine lettuce never took out the NBA finals, or Coachella.
Took you long enough to get on your high whores ;)
 

ThatOneDude

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Swine Flu, Bird Flu, Mad Cow Disease, and now this one which started because someone ate a Bat....... Maybe stop eating meat, I mean, you don't have any "Spinach Flu" or "Beyond Burger Disease"..... Yes there has been some E coli situations, but bad romaine lettuce never took out the NBA finals, or Coachella.
Meat is delicious, I'll take my chances.
 

Zeph

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Jan 22, 2015
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Swine Flu, Bird Flu, Mad Cow Disease, and now this one which started because someone ate a Bat....... Maybe stop eating meat, I mean, you don't have any "Spinach Flu" or "Beyond Burger Disease"..... Yes there has been some E coli situations, but bad romaine lettuce never took out the NBA finals, or Coachella.
the bat thing is a myth and not confirmed at all
 

FINGERS

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Nov 14, 2019
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Swine Flu, Bird Flu, Mad Cow Disease, and now this one which started because someone ate a Bat....... Maybe stop eating meat, I mean, you don't have any "Spinach Flu" or "Beyond Burger Disease"..... Yes there has been some E coli situations, but bad romaine lettuce never took out the NBA finals, or Coachella.

Tell that to the dinosaurs.

Most of them were vegetarian.

Where are they now?

Answer that one.
 

Greenbean

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I just got back from the gold and silver store. Was going to drop a couple Grand on silver and they are trying to take my head off! It was 12.49 an oz which is a great price and I usually buy and sell with this store but they wouldn't give me a straight answer on how much over spot they are and they said they couldn't sell any silver they had on hand for less than 20 an oz because that's what they bought it for. No thanks.
 

Splinty

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I kind of posted this in the corona conspiracy thread because I thought it was funny.
But I'm listening to the news right now at work so I'll rehash the events that occurred yesterday...

The Chinese government via a diplomat pushed out a Twitter conspiracy by posting what looked like an official medical study. You can check the theory thread for the links. It's just propaganda. Anyways the official looking paper is all garbage and purports that Wuhan Corona virus really came from the US originally. The paper sites only Chinese state media as it sources. Following this the Chinese ambassador to South Africa retweeted this.

after these moves last night Trump tweeted and referred to the Corona virus as the Chinese virus.

Twitter responded by calling him a racist.

Today news is reporting Chinese official statements acting angry at Trump's use of the words Chinese virus.

All I'm going to say at the end of this, is fuck the Chinese government. This virus was absolutely a result of poor farming practices and Wuhan China and the earliest containment strategies were completely undermined by the Chinese government.

I understand there push to make sure this is minimally linked to them as much as possible. I don't even really care about that. a lot of steps had to take place for this thing to get as big as it did and get outside of China and the first place. But now there's malevolence and propaganda attempting to redirect blame at others. That's way different and pushing fake non-science as science.