General Corona virus updates

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[Miesha's Taint]

@Shinkicker

Wanna move in my place with me and the missus?

Healthcare...Beauty regimes and just me being all out Mike Exotic.....We will never know if we don't try and I fucking promise I'll try.

 

[lueVelvet]

Fauci Fires Back At Media, Says Trump Has Gone Ahead With Every Recommendation/

The media again making something out of nothing. Fauci is right, we should have acted sooner. Was it Trumps fault? Well he’s the big orange face that people blame for everything so of course they’ll make that leap but I don’t think Fauci was making that leap. Fauci is telling it like it is without placing blame on any one person. Trump isn’t god and isn’t infallible either so let’s not pretend he hasn’t said shit that merits concern. But as an obvious critic of his I say we drop this so they can continue to work together regardless of either of them disagreeing on a few details.

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

Fauci Fires Back At Media, Says Trump Has Gone Ahead With Every Recommendation/

What did Trump do during the month of February to protect Americans and reduce the risk of a virus outbreak in America?

 

[Le Chat Noir]

What did Trump do during the month of February to protect Americans and reduce the risk of a virus outbreak in America?

More than the useless and parasitic left.

I wish there was a vaccine for your TDS.

#YourPresident

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[lueVelvet]

What did Trump do during the month of February to protect Americans and reduce the risk of a virus outbreak in America?

Folks will just respond with a video of Fauci saying it's not a big deal at the time, which he was really echoing the WHO's line of thinking at the time. Like I said, we (the collective we) could have done better. But wedging a divide between Fauci and Trump is the LAST thing we need to do right now. Whether you're for or against our president, he needs folks like Fauci on his team to help guide us through this mess.

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

More than the useless and parasitic left.

I wish there was a vaccine for your TDS.

#YourPresident

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If you have nothing, just don’t respond. Insults just highlight the lack of a real point.

 

[Deleted member 1]

I'm most impressed that Peter Navarro wrote a memo that predicted the economic impact of a pandemic so accurately.
Trade Adviser Warned White House in January of Risks of a Pandemic
The guy has a history of being shit wrong about a lot. But he accurately took this as a Spanish Flu threat, ran the numbers, and was pretty spot on to models that would come out later in both medical and economic threat.

A top White House adviser starkly warned Trump administration officials in late January that the coronavirus crisis could cost the United States trillions of dollars and put millions of Americans at risk of illness or death.

The warning, written in a memo by Peter Navarro, President Trump’s trade adviser, is the highest-level alert known to have circulated inside the West Wing as the administration was taking its first substantive steps to confront a crisis that had already consumed China’s leaders and would go on to upend life in Europe and the United States.

“The lack of immune protection or an existing cure or vaccine would leave Americans defenseless in the case of a full-blown coronavirus outbreak on U.S. soil,” Mr. Navarro’s memo said. “This lack of protection elevates the risk of the coronavirus evolving into a full-blown pandemic, imperiling the lives of millions of Americans.”


Dated Jan. 29, it came during a period when Mr. Trump was playing down the risks to the United States, and he would later go on to say that no one could have predicted such a devastating outcome.

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Mr. Navarro said in the memo that the administration faced a choice about how aggressive to be in containing an outbreak, saying the human and economic costs would be relatively low if it turned out to be a problem along the lines of a seasonal flu.

But he went on to emphasize that the “risk of a worst-case pandemic scenario should not be overlooked” given the information coming from China.
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In one worst-case scenario cited in the memo, more than a half-million Americans could die.

A second memo that Mr. Navarro wrote, dated Feb. 23, warned of an “increasing probability of a full-blown COVID-19 pandemic that could infect as many as 100 million Americans, with a loss of life of as many as 1.2 million souls.”

At that time, Mr. Trump was still downplaying the threat of the virus. The administration was considering asking Congress for more money to address the situation, and the second memo, which circulated around the West Wing and was obtained by The Times, urged an immediate supplemental spending appropriation from Congress of at least $3 billion.


“This is NOT a time for penny-pinching or horse trading on the Hill,” Mr. Navarro wrote in the second memo, which was unsigned but which officials attributed to him. It was unclear whether Mr. Trump saw the second memo, whose contents were first reported by Axios.

The second memo seemed aimed at members of the White House Task Force established by Mr. Trump to manage the crisis, and reflected deep divisions within the administration about how to proceed and persistent feuding between Mr. Navarro and many other top officials about his role and his views.

“Any member of the Task Force who wants to be cautious about appropriating funds for a crisis that could inflict trillions of dollars in economic damage and take millions of lives has come to the wrong administration,” the memo said.

Among other things, the memo called for an increase funding for the government to purchase personal protective equipment for health care workers, estimating they would need “at least a billion face masks” over a four-to-six-month period.


The administration ended up asking for $2.5 billion. Congress then approved $8 billion.

Mr. Navarro is now the administration’s point person for supply chain issues for medical and other equipment needed to deal with the virus.

The January memo written by Mr. Navarro was dated the same day that Mr. Trump named the task force to deal with the threat, and as the administration was weighing whether to bar some travelers from China, an option being pushed by Mr. Navarro.

Mr. Trump would approve the limits on travel from China the next day, though it would be weeks before he began taking more aggressive steps to head off spread of the virus.


Questions about Mr. Trump’s handling of the crisis, especially in its early days when he suggested it was being used by Democrats to undercut his re-election prospects, are likely to define his presidency. Mr. Navarro’s memo is evidence that some in the upper ranks of the administration had at least considered the possibility of the outbreak turning into something far more serious than Mr. Trump was acknowledging publicly at the time.

Neither Mr. Navarro nor spokespeople for the White House responded to requests for comment.

The memo, which was reviewed by The New York Times, was sent from Mr. Navarro to the National Security Council and then distributed to several officials across the administration, people familiar with the events said. It reached a number of top officials as well as aides to Mick Mulvaney, then the acting chief of staff, they said, but it was unclear whether Mr. Trump saw it.

Mr. Navarro is a well-established China hawk who has long been mistrustful of the country’s government and trade practices. Both Mr. Navarro and Matthew Pottinger, the chief deputy at the National Security Council, were among the few officials urging colleagues in January to take a harder line in relation to the growing threat of the coronavirus.

But their warnings were seen by other officials as primarily reflecting their concerns about China’s behavior — and their concerns look more prescient in hindsight than they actually were, other officials argue.

With the subject line “Impose Travel Ban on China?” Mr. Navarro opened the memo by writing, “If the probability of a pandemic is greater than roughly 1%, a game-theoretic analysis of the coronavirus indicates the clear dominant strategy is an immediate travel ban on China.”

Mr. Navarro concluded at one point: “Regardless of whether the coronavirus proves to be a pandemic-level outbreak, there are certain costs associated with engaging in policies to contain and mitigate the spread of the disease. The most readily available option to contain the spread of the outbreak is to issue a travel ban to and from the source of the outbreak, namely, mainland China.”

He suggested that under an “aggressive” containment scenario, a travel ban may need to last as long as 12 months for proper containment, a duration of time that at that point some White House aides saw as unsustainable.


The travel limits subsequently imposed by Mr. Trump did not entirely ban travel from China, and many travelers from the country continued to stream into the United States.

Mr. Navarro was at odds with medical experts like Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, who had argued that such travel bans only delay the eventual spread.

Mr. Navarro alluded to that debate on Saturday during a separate argument with Dr. Fauci in the Situation Room about whether the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine was effective in treating or preventing the virus, according to two people familiar with the events.

In the memo, Mr. Navarro cautioned that it was “unlikely the introduction of the coronavirus into the U.S. population in significant numbers will mimic a ‘seasonal flu’ event with relatively low contagion and mortality rates.”

He noted the history of pandemic flus and suggested the chances were elevated for one after the new pathogen had developed in China.

“This historical precedent alone should be sufficient to prove the need to take aggressive action to contain the outbreak,” he wrote, going on to say the early estimates of how easily the virus was spreading supported the possibility that the risks were even greater than the history of flu pandemics suggested.

I really like the way he models threat vs probability to objectively estimate if the cost in proceeding with mitigation efforts should be taken. He recognizes the harm of mitigation, but also accurately assessed the harm if Coronavirus moved from small outbreaks into a pandemic that would disrupt global supply chains.
His larger economical modeling has not been historically as good, but in estimating threats to domestic economy here, the guy really saw all the pieces.

 

[lueVelvet]

I'm most impressed that Peter Navarro wrote a memo that predicted the economic impact of a pandemic so accurately.
Trade Adviser Warned White House in January of Risks of a Pandemic
The guy has a history of being shit wrong about a lot. But he accurately took this as a Spanish Flu threat, ran the numbers, and was pretty spot on to models that would come out later in both medical and economic threat.



I really like the way he models threat vs probability to objectively estimate if the cost in proceeding with mitigation efforts should be taken. He recognizes the harm of mitigation, but also accurately assessed the harm if Coronavirus moved from small outbreaks into a pandemic that would disrupt global supply chains.
His larger economical modeling has not been historically as good, but in estimating threats to domestic economy here, the guy really saw all the pieces.

I have to admit, this sounds spot on with hindsight and all of that.

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

View: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1223004106408833025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


View: https://twitter.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/1225073987639705600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Feb 7-
View: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1225728755248828416?s=21

Feb 7-

"I just spoke to President Xi last night, and, you know, we're working on the -- the problem, the virus. It's a -- it's a very tough situation. But I think he's going to handle it. I think he's handled it really well. We're helping wherever we can."

Feb 10-

"I think China is very, you know, professionally run in the sense that they have everything under control," Trump said. "I really believe they are going to have it under control fairly soon. You know in April, supposedly, it dies with the hotter weather. And that's a beautiful date to look forward to. But China I can tell you is working very hard."

Feb 13-

Well, you never know. I think they want to put the best face on it. So you know, I mean, if somebody -- if you were running it, you'd probably -- you wouldn't want to run out to the world and go crazy and start saying whatever it is because you don't want to create a panic," he said. "But, no, I think they've handled it professionally and I think they're extremely capable and I think President Xi is extremely capable and I hope that it's going to be resolved."

Feb14-

"It's a tremendous problem," he added. "But they're very capable and they'll -- they'll get to it."

Feb 18-

"I think President Xi is working very hard," Trump said. "As you know, I spoke with him recently. He's working really hard. It's a tough problem. I think he's going to do -- look, I've seen them build hospitals in a short period of time. I really believe he wants to get that done, and he wants to get it done fast. Yes, I think he's doing it very professionally."

"Look, I know this: President Xi loves the people of China, he loves his country, and he's doing a very good job with a very, very tough situation," he said.

Feb 19- Trump predicts the virus will disappear. “I think it’s going to work out fine. I think when we get into April, in the warmer weather, that has a very negative effect on that and that type of a virus.”

Feb 23-

"No, I think President Xi is working very, very hard. I spoke to him. He's working very hard. I think he's doing a very good job. It's a big problem. But President Xi loves his country. He's working very hard to solve the problem and he will solve the problem. OK?"

View: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1232058127740174339?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


View: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1232652371832004608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Feb 27- “It’s going to disappear,” Trump says in a White House briefing. “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

Feb29-

"We've been in very close contact with China, including myself with President Xi. He very much wanted this to happen," said Trump. "He wanted this to get out and finished and be done. He worked -- he's been working very, very hard, I can tell you that. And they're making a lot of progress in China."

So we can see Trump spent the month of Feb praising China for their actions handling the virus but what did he do for America? What steps were taken to protect America?

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

‘Total authority’ but accepts no responsibility!

 

[Le Chat Noir]

If you have nothing, just don’t respond. Insults just highlight the lack of a real point.

All you do is post leftist pablum all day. I'm highlighting the fact that you are nothing but a silly share blue parrot,
with zero political understanding.

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[Freeloading Rusty]

It was one month ago today Trump declared the national emergency.

A month ago today, Trump announced the ‘Google Portal’ aka drive through testing results website.... Curious, how’s the new website working out? Is it all it was promised to be?

 

[Deleted member 1]

Sweden: 22 Scientists Say Coronavirus Strategy Has Failed As Deaths Top 1,000

 

[Zeph]

@Shinkicker

Wanna move in my place with me and the missus?

Healthcare...Beauty regimes and just me being all out Mike Exotic.....We will never know if we don't try and I fucking promise I'll try.

You need a continuous supply of meth to pull that off, or so I've been led to believe.

 

[Zeph]

been wearing mask out to the store.. kind of annoying when you see someone without a mask on or someone not following the social distancing rules put forth by the store..

It's the older people not observing the rules from my experience.

 

[Sheepdog]

It's the older people not observing the rules from my experience.

I turned around to a clearly symptomatic 60-year-oldish woman literally blowing her nose not 6 inches away from my face as she shuffled past me yesterday. At least if I get the Cov, I won't have to wonder how I got it.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Happy to hear that you get paid appropriately for your risk to exposure. I wish it worked the same way for my wife. I guess that’s the shitty end of what we get for having free health care.

I wish it worked that way for all essentials.

 

[Filthy]

been wearing mask out to the store.. kind of annoying when you see someone without a mask on or someone not following the social distancing rules put forth by the store..

I had to unexpectedly make a trip to Target to get a food vacuum. When I went to the Winco (cheap grocery store), almost everyone was wearing a mask...even the employees. But nobody was at Target...not sure if it's the store or the demographic, but it was weird.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

View: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1223004106408833025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


View: https://twitter.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/1225073987639705600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Feb 7-
View: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1225728755248828416?s=21

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Feb 19- Trump predicts the virus will disappear. “I think it’s going to work out fine. I think when we get into April, in the warmer weather, that has a very negative effect on that and that type of a virus.”

Feb 23-



View: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1232058127740174339?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


View: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1232652371832004608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Feb 27- “It’s going to disappear,” Trump says in a White House briefing. “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

Feb29-


So we can see Trump spent the month of Feb praising China for their actions handling the virus but what did he do for America? What steps were taken to protect America?

That was the second of 2 months where the WHO was being China's hand puppet. It's crazy to watch people pretend that anybody was proactive.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

I had to unexpectedly make a trip to Target to get a food vacuum. When I went to the Winco (cheap grocery store), almost everyone was wearing a mask...even the employees. But nobody was at Target...not sure if it's the store or the demographic, but it was weird.

Get everything at one store. You both wont be weirded out and you'll be minimizing exposure.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

I turned around to a clearly symptomatic 60-year-oldish woman literally blowing her nose not 6 inches away from my face as she shuffled past me yesterday. At least if I get the Cov, I won't have to wonder how I got it.

When did runny nose hit the symptoms list?

 

[Rambo John J]

When did runny nose hit the symptoms list?

the list is yuge

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

COVID-19: Brazilian trial for drug touted by Trump halted after 11 patients die on high dose

 

[Filthy]

Get everything at one store. You both wont be weirded out and you'll be minimizing exposure.

that's what i do. but i bought a bunch of meat to vacuum/freeze.
A few months ago I got rid of my old Foodsaver because my wife got a 'smoking deal' on a new one.

It was shit, didn't work at all. So I had a bunch of meat and had to get it frozen. Target was the only place local place that had one a decent one for pickup.