No, he wasn't. His father was.
General Thoughts on Georgia shooting?
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i thought Boomer had confused the younger-looking guy for the dad. Was the son an ex-cop?
Nah he's just the local guy that tells everyone what his dad did like they are his own accomplishments.
I'm just kidding, I don't know if thats true.
Nope, that was the father as well.
Ok, maybe I am right about the son
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its in 1 of the links in the thread.
thank you
I thought he looked younger and initially confused him for the son based on that, but it was the father in the back of the truck. The son had the shotgun.
The son fought for his life like he'd never been in danger before.
i thought i read that the son was an ex cop. i guess i was wrong but it doesnt change the fact that he was recognized on video by 1 of them and had previous dealings with him.
To be fair, we don't really know if he fired the gun intentionally. The memo from the DA suggested the gun went off during the struggle because the son had his figure on the trigger and the dead guy yanked forward on the gun.
Well we don't put our finger on the trigger until we are ready to fire, so I'd say it's intentional OR his father failed at teaching firearm safety. Which if they had a gun stolen out of the truck, he probably did fail his son.
They don't seem to be the sharpest pencils in the drawer.
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well, we're all the same page about the dad was an ex-cop who retired working for the DA.
and the son is a lazy tub of shit. and neither is probably very bright.
i wonder if 'recognizing someone from a video' is 'immediate first-hand knowledge'.
and the son is a lazy tub of shit. and neither is probably very bright.
i wonder if 'recognizing someone from a video' is 'immediate first-hand knowledge'.
the son should be charged for something then as far as im concerned
This is a strange hill to continue dying on. This audio basically corroborates what we read in the transcripts and still doesn't get at the basic point of why Ahmaud Arbery deserved to die. Again, there was no evidence of any rash of burglaries in the immediate area, though 2 months prior the shooters had had a gun stolen, which is common due to the number of opioid addicts in the area who pawn them for drug money. There isn't anything to suggest a burglary in the moment, only someone looking around an open house under construction and a loose connection to some unreported allegedly missing fishing equipment a few months ago.
I get that you're trying to poke holes in some of the dominant media narrative that seems to want to slot this into a much larger and divisive story, but you seem to be simultaneously rooting for a young man's murder to be justifiable. Why do you feel like you're on the side of someone who shot and killed someone else? Like you, I suppose, I believe in trying to get to the truth by way of facts. I also believe in innocent until proven guilty. But the way you've argued this, it seems like you have an ax to grind against people who say Black people are unfairly killed or that their deaths are not taken seriously by law enforcement. And again, that is the crux of the matter. I don't claim to speak for all Black people, but as a Black person, it's fairly incredible that when tragic incidents like this occur, the first thing under investigation in some sectors of the court of public opinion is our intentions, our behavior, our past, our habits, even when the victim is unarmed and dead in the street. The outrage you see, as I said several posts ago, is about that primarily. It's about the feeling that there are double standards and that again, our lives don't matter. Whether Black people are killed by whites in a truck or by Black and Latino people on the block, it's often given the same priority which is to say not much. It seems like you have taken the discontent about this condition and the way it's been filtered through media very personally again as if it's an attack on the white team you're presumably a part of and that you have to defend that team. Also, you seem to believe that only you are capable of interrogating the facts objectively and seeing the truth, which is ultimately that Ahmaud Arbery deserved to die.
I don't say this as an attack on you or your internal mental state because I don't know you like that, but more on the effect of the rhetoric and tone you're pushing in this thread. This is not a situation where one can be "right." It's a muddled circumstance where people did things that ended in death. Implicit in your arguments has been this kind of "here they go again," but who is "they" and why do you feel like you're on the other side of it? Why are you taking a side at all? A more sober analysis would simply say "well, it seems like they didn't press charges because of X. In the conflict X and Y are not exactly clear. The media is saying X, but actually it's Y. It seems like the media is framing X by saying Y, but here is some information that suggests Z. I understand why this looks like when it happened to X, but actually it's more like Y." I'm only pointing this out to say you're not the dispassionate observer you claim to be and that numerous times you've said you don't "believe" this or that thing about Ahmaud. And now you have the 911 call posted here as if it says much, when it doesn't say anything except that people in the neighborhood had things they believed too, just like you. I mean, it's whatever because it's an MMA board and not a debate workshop, but as in any circumstance, it's worth interrogating your own commitments.
The thing I'd like to believe we can agree on is that this death should not have happened. And I don't like the bloodthirstiness and dehumanization of the McMichaels anymore than I like the bloodthirstiness for Ahmaud. It's weird and gruesomely tribalistic in a time when so many people are dying every day against a circumstance that's invisible and much harder to do anything tangible about (oddly, not unlike racism). It's worth thinking about why this and other incidents in conversation with one another are upsetting and not just assuming people are dupes who don't get it.
The first caller says flat out that the guy was in the house and he saw him flee the house.
The second caller sounds like it may have been the father the way he shouts out for "Travis", then goes silent. I didn't notice a phone in his hand in the video though.
I am not shocked at the inhumanity posted by so-called humans regarding this ugly unnecessary tragedy.
Such lower level souls need to evolve, unfortunately, it is to be expected that there will be outliers with their own obvious biases.
Namaste
so the crime that the caller had immediate first-hand knowledge of was...trespassing?
The police report listed the initial call as a suspicious person report. It also lists homicide and criminal trespass the offenses.
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Sorry my thoughts are not the same as yours. But at the end of the day nobody deserves to die like that. But my point for the 1000th time if he was or was not guilty IMO he should have kept running. Not turned and started fighting with them. Nobody aimed at him that I saw. He was not in a life or death situation while being pursued. People are pursued everyday with far less dramatic outcomes. If they wanted him dead they could have hit him with the truck or did a drive by. I don't think the intention was to shoot him but rather to get him stop or comply
If he was 100% innocent and chose to fight them off that's his decision and it's a brave one. I personally would have ran straight past the truck and tried to call police and continue evading them.
Also for the 1000th time. Just so everybody can re read it. I know alot of you must have a reading comprehension problem or my posts come off different over the web than they may in person. I'm not here happy he died. But I find it hard to believe this neighborhood conspired to kill the local jogger. I believe it much more likely fo be a case of mistaken identity or a citizens arrest that went wrong.