General Corona virus updates

[Deleted member 1]

I was referrring to rapid and anti body tests.

The modality isn't the problem is my point.

The glut of crappy manufacturers that we are paying for is a problem. There's only a handful of antibody tests that actually do what they say on the package! That was okay in March if you want to argue emergency needs. It should be unacceptable 6 months later and we should not be paying for the false advertising tests.

 

[Rambo John J]

The modality isn't the problem is my point.

The glut of crappy manufacturers that we are paying for is a problem. There's only a handful of antibody tests that actually do what they say on the package! That was okay in March if you want to argue emergency needs. It should be unacceptable 6 months later and we should not be paying for the false advertising tests.

and the testing cycles are too damn high

 

[Deleted member 1]

and the testing cycles are too damn high

He's talking abut rapid testing which runs on ELISA typically. There are not testing cycles.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

There's only a handful of antibody tests that actually do what they say on the package!

According to other national health agencies that number is 0.

It should be unacceptable 6 months later

This is what's mind blowing to me, and you might be able to answer this question. If we can't accurately test, how are we going to know if we have a working vaccine? It kind of seems like Columbus drawing a map of America while he was still in Spain.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

He's talking abut rapid testing which runs on ELISA typically. There are not testing cycles.

I have no idea what I'm talking about as it pertains to how tests work. I just know that the tests are too inaccurate to be deemed useable outside of America.

 

[tang]

He was/is a large part of that leadership failure.

so you're voting biden?

 

[Rambo John J]

He's talking abut rapid testing which runs on ELISA typically. There are not testing cycles.

Yes he was...we both know this.
Cycles are still too damn high on the PCR.

 

[Deleted member 1]

so you're voting biden?

At this point probably. But not because of Coronavirus, though one place a president can excel is the bully pulpit of messaging and setting stakes to drive direction. And that's a lot of public health...setting unified direction.

 

[MMAHAWK]

so you're voting biden?

Depending on the post office he might vote for him 3 or 4 times

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Depending on the post office he might vote for him 3 or 4 times

or not vote at all.

 

[Deleted member 1]

According to other national health agencies that number is 0.

I'm not sure the metrics, but sure I have no defense of them. More than that, I think we should have COPIED AND PASTED others testing in March to get a jump in the first wtf it still blows my mind.

If we can't accurately test, how are we going to know if we have a working vaccine?

You can use inaccurate testing and create confidence intervals when talking population. But that's just me giving a math answer.
The human answer is that you need a gold standard and your sureness will only ever be as good as that. So not very sure if your testing is not very sure.

Testing is the solution to not locking down.
The solution to sending people back to work.
To giving your doctor tools at the individual level.
To verifying things like...vaccines.

And yet we got no X prize, manhattan project, etc to roll out testing properly. We just keep shitty testing and getting things right 80% or less of the time, which on its own might thin the count, but not direct it efficiently.

 

[Rambo John J]

Gold Standard?

I like where this is headed.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

I'm not sure the metrics, but sure I have no defense of them. More than that, I think we should have COPIED AND PASTED others testing in March to get a jump in the first wtf it still blows my mind.



You can use inaccurate testing and create confidence intervals when talking population. But that's just me giving a math answer.
The human answer is that you need a gold standard and your sureness will only ever be as good as that. So not very sure if your testing is not very sure.

Testing is the solution to not locking down.
The solution to sending people back to work.
To giving your doctor tools at the individual level.
To verifying things like...vaccines.

And yet we got no X prize, manhattan project, etc to roll out testing properly. We just keep shitty testing and getting things right 80% or less of the time, which on its own might thin the count, but not direct it efficiently.

For myself personally, that's been my biggest frustration throughout the pandemic. It's also a big part of the reason I get so tired of hearing about fucking masks.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Gold Standard?

I like where this is headed.

If we're going to get out of this we need to have standard, across the board, accurate testing. I believe that's the gold standard he's referring to.

 

[Deleted member 1]

I get so tired of hearing about fucking masks

Masks are simply an admission that we don't have great technology to do early detection. but even highly accurate broad testing that let your doctor rapidly work and contact Trace, would it be unlikely to be so robust and early detection for a country the size of the United States as to replace the cheapness of using mask as a source control.
And beyond that I keep saying more and more developing information regarding viral load inoculation theory. So if that pans out, yes masks are an admission of technology deficits. But they might also be a very valuable cheap tool and creating lower severity disease burden no matter what your testing becomes.

 

[sparkuri]

At this point probably. But not because of Coronavirus, though one place a president can excel is the bully pulpit of messaging and setting stakes to drive direction. And that's a lot of public health...setting unified direction.

I'm speechless.
Kneeblock just entered Splinty's body.

 

[Sex Chicken]

View: https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1306068005235896320?s=20

 

[Rambo John J]

If we're going to get out of this we need to have standard, across the board, accurate testing. I believe that's the gold standard he's referring to.

Exactly what I thought he was referring to...and exactly what I would prefer.

Labs testing at all types of various thresholds and with all different tests doesn't provide the type of data that can give a crystal clear picture of what is going on.

I don't think that is the only way to "get out of this" but I do understand it is the way that would appease the majority of the population and medical field and provide the clearest dataset.

 

[Deleted member 1]

I'm speechless.
Kneeblock just entered Splinty's body.

I voted for Trump. I own an AR-15. I think most of the rioters should get tased for my YouTube pleasure. I don't spend my time worrying about intersectional identity politics. I'm unlikely to vote for Trump just go around.
There's a lot of reasons for that we can discuss sometime over beers while you educate me on the world I'm missing.

 

[Rambo John J]

View: https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1306068005235896320?s=20

wood

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Masks are simply an admission that we don't have great technology to do early detection. but even highly accurate broad testing that let your doctor rapidly work and contact Trace, would it be unlikely to be so robust and early detection for a country the size of the United States as to replace the cheapness of using mask as a source control.

I'm not anti-mask. My concern is that masks are being treated by many like a silver bullet when in reality without testing we're just going to be wearing masks forever until covid works its way through the population.

And beyond that I keep saying more and more developing information regarding viral load inoculation theory. So if that pans out, yes masks are an admission of technology deficits. But they might also be a very valuable cheap tool and creating lower severity disease burden no matter what your testing becomes.

The problem with the innoculation theory is that it runs directly counter to the other theory that once you have covid you have it forever. It also kind of makes the "herd immunity" people right.

 

[sparkuri]

View: https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1306068005235896320?s=20

MURDERS!

 

[Deleted member 1]

The problem with the innoculation theory is that it runs directly counter to the other theory that once you have covid you have it forever.

I don't see how.

It also kind of makes the "herd immunity" people right.

Herd immunity is fine if you can find a way to modulate disease severity to 1> not kill or permanently injure too many 2> not happen all at once doubling your injury/death due to system over run.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

I don't think that is the only way to "get out of this"

If you have tests that can be done in a reasonable time frame you can test entire populations. Quarantine the sick until better let the rest of the population live as they were.

 

[sparkuri]

I voted for Trump. I own an AR-15. I think most of the rioters should get tased for my YouTube pleasure. I don't spend my time worrying about intersectional identity politics. I'm unlikely to vote for Trump just go around.
There's a lot of reasons for that we can discuss sometime over beers while you educate me on the world I'm missing.

As long as it's O'douls.
I'm on the wagon to the narrow gate, and cannot compromise!