Rampage Jackson blasts newly-reinstated Jon Jones: He's bad for MMA

[Wild]

With the one-time Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) light heavyweight titleholder making a triumphant return to the organization, after being reinstated yesterday (Fri. Oct. 23, 2015), it appears not everyone is calling this a "good day" for the sport of mixed martial arts (MMA).

Just ask former "Bones'" foe Quinton "Rampage" Jackson, who claims it's not just the actions of the former pound-for-pound star outside the cage that deserve attention (via Inside MMA).

"I hope he comes back. I hope he learns from his mistake.... But I'm not saying it because I'm a fan of Jon Jones because honestly I think that Jon Jones is bad for the sport, because when he fights people, he injures us. He kicked my knee backwards, my knee is never the same. He's done it to a couple other guys. I saw him rip one guy's shoulder out his socket. We just try to the same thing he's trying to do, earn a living and do the sport that we love. We don't go in there to try and injure people, even though I tried to fold an opponent in half, but he made me angry, it was something that he did to me, I had a history.... But this guy's doing it to every opponent. He's kicking their knees backwards and really trying to hurt people. So I think that's bad for the sport."

LINK: Rampage Jackson blasts newly-reinstated Jon Jones: He's bad for MMA and injures fighters - MMAmania.com

 

[SongExotic2]

Nice spike on bader

 

[jason73]

not a fan of jon jones but rampage is one to talk. does he forget his "energy drink"incident?. page used to slam dudes on their heads.jon jones is just a better version of rampage without the personality

 

[dacofty]

not a fan of jon jones but rampage is one to talk. does he forget his "energy drink"incident?. page used to slam dudes on their heads.jon jones is just a better version of rampage without the personality

I dont care for either of them really.

 

[Zeph]

Does Rampage not fully understand the objectives of MMA?

 

[BackOffWarchild]

 

[dacofty]

he has got to be the all time eye poke champion.

 

[SongExotic2]

he has got to be the all time eye poke champion.

I dunno Belcher did a pretty good one on count michael.


Of course he got his come uppance a short time later

 

[tang]

not a fan of jon jones but rampage is one to talk. does he forget his "energy drink"incident?. page used to slam dudes on their heads.jon jones is just a better version of rampage without the personality

Yea rampage is not the one to talk. He could have parlyzed all of em he slammed on the ground. But i still love rampage, Jones... Mehhh...

 

[ECC170]

Lol...hes trying to hurt us, boo hoo..

 

[SongExotic2]

Lol...hes trying to hurt us, boo hoo..

What's the dirtiest technique someone did on you?

 

[ECC170]

What's the dirtiest technique someone did on you?

Getting stabbed or rhe bastard that used the cage to pull himself to his feet while I have a calf crusher locked on...then while holding the cage punches me in the back of the head while the ref Just watched.

 

[darkness]

that oblique kick is kind of fucked, though. I think that is along the same lines as eye gouging and small joint manipulation.

sent from your mother's house

 

[CaffeineBomb]

Rampage talks a lot of shit, but not sure he's wrong about Jones' oblique kick to the knees. They're joint destroyers and it's not like he just threatens with them, he properly tries to drive through the knee.

Don't agree he's bad for the sport though, if anything I think the next year or so of his career is going to be great for the sport.

 

[Robbie Hart]

What is he supposed to do?

Rampage has an excuse for almost killing someone with a slam like that?

He's trying to say he didn't do that or wouldn't do it on purpose but he tried it on Forrest but forest let go of the triangle before he could finish the slam.......I guess forest did something that also deserved a near death experience.

 

[Zeph]

Kneebars, ok. Concussions, perfect. Kicks to the knee, woah there, lets not be savages. Ridiculous. If you don't want to be kicked in the knee, learn how to defend it.

 

[Kevin Bacon]

Back in the days of pure Vale Tudo, there was only a gentleman's agreement not to poke people in the eye or do stuff that could do lasting damage when it doesn't have a real chance to stop the fight. Some guys did it, but they also never gained any real respect from their equals. Oblique kicks and eye pokes won't stop the toughest guys in the world, but it does have a real chance of messing up their body and consequently their career. Jones has also done this mostly on people with known knee issues like rampage.

It's just like kicking someone in the balls. Sure, it's effective in a fight, but it's also the cheapest way to win. I think most fighters find it disrespectful when their opponent utilizes easy and cheap techniques against them, that they wouldn't feel comfortable using themselves. It just goes against the spirit of fair competition for a lot of guys that tend to respect their opponents, at least as a martial artist.

 

[Robbie Hart]

Back in the days of pure Vale Tudo, there was only a gentleman's agreement not to poke people in the eye or do stuff that could do lasting damage when it doesn't have a real chance to stop the fight. Some guys did it, but they also never gained any real respect from their equals. Oblique kicks and eye pokes won't stop the toughest guys in the world, but it does have a real chance of messing up their body and consequently their career. Jones has also done this mostly on people with known knee issues like rampage.

It's just like kicking someone in the balls. Sure, it's effective in a fight, but it's also the cheapest way to win. I think most fighters find it disrespectful when their opponent utilizes easy and cheap techniques against them, that they wouldn't feel comfortable using themselves. It just goes against the spirit of fair competition for a lot of guys that tend to respect their opponents, at least as a martial artist.

I struggle with it, others don't fear this and there is no gentleman's agreement I'm aware of.........
The real agreement is you don't spike someone on their head or slam them to potentially paralyse them, IMO
I agree, though, that eye pokes are out no matter what, that's just cheap

 

[Wintermute]

 

[Weidman's right nut]

Says the guy who almost killed a pregnant woman while "under the influence" of energy drinks

 

[Zeph]

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[SickEye]

 

[WoodenPupa]

Kneebars, ok. Concussions, perfect. Kicks to the knee, woah there, lets not be savages. Ridiculous. If you don't want to be kicked in the knee, learn how to defend it.

You could make this argument for any kind of attack though. Don't like getting kneed in the balls? Learn how to defend.

There's a certain amount of arbitrariness in all this. It's the hurt business and all that. But some strikes are not allowed, and mostly for good reasons. And I think good arguments can be made to outlaw the knee kick. It doesn't add much to a fight's drama because it rarely ends a fight, but the long-term consequences are there. It's pretty much a cheap shot.

 

[Zeph]

You could make this argument for any kind of attack though. Don't like getting kneed in the balls? Learn how to defend.

There's a certain amount of arbitrariness in all this. It's the hurt business and all that. But some strikes are not allowed, and mostly for good reasons. And I think good arguments can be made to outlaw the knee kick. It doesn't add much to a fight's drama because it rarely ends a fight, but the long-term consequences are there. It's pretty much a cheap shot.

Groin strikes are slightly different since they aren't allowed to be attacked at all. Yet you are saying the knee can only be attacked from the sides? That is very arbitrary and gamey. Rampage could have avoided the damage by having more lateral movement and making Jon miss with the side kicks to the knee, or he could have been lighter on his front foot, thereby not having the lead leg so easily hyper-extended. Whereas with groin strikes they aren't allowed from any angle, there is no grey line where they are ok to hit, from a 35° angle, on Tuesdays, when a blue moon is in the sky. Then you have to consider that the damage he is complaining about happens from kneebars anyway, and no one is saying they should be banned, at least I hope they aren't.

 

[WoodenPupa]

Groin strikes are slightly different since they aren't allowed to be attacked at all. Yet you are saying the knee can only be attacked from the sides? That is very arbitrary and gamey. Rampage could have avoided the damage by having more lateral movement and making Jon miss with the side kicks to the knee, or he could have been lighter on his front foot, thereby not having the lead leg so easily hyper-extended. Whereas with groin strikes they aren't allowed from any angle, there is no grey line where they are ok to hit, from a 35° angle, on Tuesdays, when a blue moon is in the sky. Then you have to consider that the damage he is complaining about happens from kneebars anyway, and no one is saying they should be banned, at least I hope they aren't.

The rules are full of arbitrary and gamey concepts. And yeah, that's what I'm saying---the knee shouldn't be attacked from the front. Just as the head can only be attacked from the front and sides, elbows can only be delivered in a non-12-6 fashion, etc.

Are you saying we either we rule out an entire body part or not at all?