Unless they have the documents. Then shes big fucked.
He says stupid shit all the time though.
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Nope. But I think it's always useful to keep calling it what it is. When Trump goes down to Florida (rumor is he might pout down there through the inauguration lol) and uses a social media and his future news channel to rewrite history, I think highlighting the failures of his interventions remains important.
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Yeah unfortunately this is Casa de Trump's new home
Exclusive | Ivanka and Jared buy $30M lot on high-security Miami island
Miami’s uber-swanky and high-security Indian Creek Island is known as the “Billionaire’s Bunker.”
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What's going to play better in 2024? "We shared the vaccine fairly across the globe." or "Joe Biden wanted to leave America at the back of the line. Project warp speed, America first, cured covid under my presidency, etc"?
Do you also feel his successes should be highlighted? Because I can remember the reaction when during the final debate he said there'd be a vaccine announced in the coming weeks and rolled out by the end of the year under project warp speed.
He had a correct prediction? Holy shit. How could people ever vote against him.
Trust the plan.
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Sure but that's a really weird thing to say unless you're trying to neutralize the conversation at hand.
If you want to talk about something related that you think is good go ahead and do it. I'm not keeping score here or trying to balance anything out.
When I say "this is bad and we should remember it when the inevitable spin machine comes again" I don't mean anything else. It is a thought that stands on its own.
Which was? And your point is?
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Except even that ignores the context that we don't really have a vaccine in the coming weeks because the executive branch cut the supply and politicized the vaccine so hard that 1> stockpiles are below what they should be and could be 2> safety data is not trusted to the point that many people are saying that they will not get it
Trump begging for credit for a project that he is only undermined and that runs without him.
A vaccine only matters if you give enough of it to enough people and there are enough uninfected people to impact future disease burden to be worth the investment in the vaccine.
(ignoring that the vaccines seem to show much better immune response than the Corona virus itself preventing future outbreaks)
I actually wonder how much less needed an effective the vaccine is going to be by the time we roll out enough because the disease burden has already happened.
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You're smart!!
Looks like Birx did say 200k would happen even if all things where done perfectly
www.google.com
Dr. Birx predicts up to 200,000 coronavirus deaths 'if we do things almost perfectly'
"I think in some of the metro areas we were late in getting people to follow the 15-day guidelines," the White House coronavirus response coordinator said on "TODAY."
If I'm remembering correctly, Biden shook his head disapprovingly, the moderator demanded answers as to who as "that isn't what experts are saying" and then the claim was widely panned in the media as being utter nonsense.
Point is that if you're going to, rightly might I add, criticize his actions of cutting vaccine availability you also should keep in mind that having a vaccine at all should at least partly be credited to his actions and be crediting him with that. I'm not expecting anyone to shower him with praise, he certainly doesn't deserve it, but a little objectivity is deserved.
Not really. I recently saw it in an article about the vaccine. I had to look it up.
Oh shit.
www.statnews.com
Leading Covid-19 vaccine makers Pfizer and Moderna decline invitations to White House 'Vaccine Summit'
The Trump administration invited the leading Covid-19 vaccine manufacturers to a celebratory “Vaccine Summit” on Tuesday. Neither plans to attend.
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That's tremendous.Oh shit.
Leading Covid-19 vaccine makers Pfizer and Moderna decline invitations to White House 'Vaccine Summit'
The Trump administration invited the leading Covid-19 vaccine manufacturers to a celebratory “Vaccine Summit” on Tuesday. Neither plans to attend.
Just playing Devil's advocate here....don't kill me.
Yeah, but at the time no one even knew if the vaccine was going to work. So the gamble was signing a smaller contract for each manufacturer. Not put all in your eggs in one basket kinda thing.
The contract only promised 100 million by march 2021 with an option of an additional 100-500 million to be added. That option is still on the table. And even if the second 100 million was ordered it wasn't gong to be delivered until June anyway.
At least, that's how I understood it. I could be wrong. Probably not. But maybe.
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Gamble would still only be the cost of the excess vaccine if the vaccine didn't work or buying excess vaccines across the board. If you sign with other vaccines later it's the same expenditure here. Delta is still only Pfizer's extra orders. Risk remains only cost above existing purchase. purchasing 50 or 150 million Pfizer vaccines does not preclude you from purchasing other vaccines. 150 million vaccines are still too few so you're still going to buy from others or wait. All we did was make a choice to go from 150 to 50 as a guarantee. Benefit was cost savings if the vaccine didn't work or if other vaccines are more cost effective. Risk is current position of having a delayed vaccine and cost and deaths.
Ending up on the other side of this with extra vaccines would likely cost less than months of additional pandemic and associated harms and interventions
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Trying to understand this.
Pfizer was offering a hundred million extra option in March?
For the news article I thought we only ordered 50 million?
If we were always going to get the extra vaccines in June whether we ordered them last summer or now of course I don't understand what the hoopla about
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I don't know. I don't follow the spoken soundbytes that closely.
A first Google says from March 30...
Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, reiterated Monday on CNN that "I don't want to see it, I'd like to avoid it, but I wouldn't be surprised if we saw 100,000 deaths."
The federal contract signed in July called for Pfizer to deliver 100 million doses by March at a cost of $19.50 a dose — if its vaccine worked. It gave the government the option to request 100 million to 500 million additional doses. It was one of six contracts that the Trump administration signed with vaccine makers in a strategy intended to hedge its bets and maximize the chances of success.
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Pfizer has struggled to meet initial expectations. This summer, the company predicted that it would have 100 million doses by the end of the year, but in November, it said manufacturing challenges forced the company to scale that back to 50 million. Vaccine manufacturing is notoriously unpredictable, and any number of factors — from shortages of raw ingredients to contaminated batches — could cause further setbacks.
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While two vaccines, including Pfizer’s, have proved to be highly effective against Covid-19, and a third also appears at least moderately effective, supplies are shaping up to be scarce in the coming months as infections, hospitalizations and deaths surge to new highs. And while Pfizer is now negotiating with the administration to provide more of its vaccine, people familiar with the talks say the company cannot guarantee that it will be able to deliver more than the initial 100 million doses — enough to inoculate 50 million people since its vaccine requires two shots — before perhaps next June.
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Trump Administration Passed on Chance to Secure More of Pfizer Vaccine (Published 2020)
The pharmaceutical company offered the government a chance to lock in additional supplies before its vaccine was proved effective in clinical trials.
If Moderna isn't complaining of production delays, is easier to transport and store.......
Moderna has only promised 20 million by the end of the year, 100 million by March.
Moderna has only promised 20 million by the end of the year, 100 million by March.
These vaccines are gonna be so damn tasty