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ThatOneDude

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This is the most amazing thing ever.... The left is eating itself.


Students: Transgender Woman Can’t Be Diversity Officer Because She’s a White Man Now
by KATHERINE TIMPF October 15, 2014 6:31 PM @KATTIMPF

Wellesley College students are okay with him on campus, but not in a leadership position. A student who was born female felt perfectly comfortable identifying as a man at Wellesley College — until people said he shouldn’t be class diversity officer because he is now a white male. Timothy Boatwright was born a girl, and checked off the “female” box when applying to the Massachusetts all-women’s school, according to an article in the New York Times. But when he got there, he introduced himself as a “masculine-of-center genderqueer” person named “Timothy” (the name he picked for himself) and asked them to use male pronouns when referring to him. And, by all accounts, Boatwright felt welcome on campus — until the day he announced that he wanted to run for the school’s office of multicultural affairs coordinator, whose job is to promote a “culture of diversity” on campus. But some students thought that allowing Boatwright to have the position would just perpetuate patriarchy. They were so opposed, in fact, that when the other three candidates (all women of color) dropped out, they started an anonymous Facebook campaign encouraging people not to vote at all to keep him from winning the position. “I thought he’d do a perfectly fine job, but it just felt inappropriate to have a white man there,” the student behind the so-called “Campaign to Abstain” said. “It’s not just about that position either,” the student added. “Having men in elected leadership positions undermines the idea of this being a place where women are the leaders.” Boatwright told the Times that his high-school friends knew he was transgender, but he identified himself as female on the application to Wellesley because he didn’t want his mom to know. Of course, Wellesley is also a female school, and “it seemed awkward to write an application essay for a women’s college on why you were not a woman,” he said. — Katherine Timpf is a reporter for National Review Online.

Read more at: Students: Transgender Woman Can't Be Diversity Officer Because She's a White Man Now | National Review Online
 

HEATH VON DOOM

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I have been waiting for them to turn on each other for a while. Once these groups reach their main goal, gay marriage was the big deal, they have to create something else to bitch about to stay relevant. They only preach tolerance if it pertains to their agenda and not someone else.

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I've got nothing against the left and fully support equality. I find hypocrisy repulsive though, so when people who campaign for equal rights state their prejudice based purely on race and gender, they lose all credibility in my eyes.
 

ThatOneDude

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I've got nothing against the left and fully support equality. I find hypocrisy repulsive though, so when people who campaign for equal rights state their prejudice based purely on race and gender, they lose all credibility in my eyes.
Exactly!
 

ThatOneDude

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I've got nothing against the left and fully support equality. I find hypocrisy repulsive though, so when people who campaign for equal rights state their prejudice based purely on race and gender, they lose all credibility in my eyes.
That's what I find so funny about this. We have some minority females who want equal rights and to embrace diversity, actively and cowardly campaigning against someone else who's marginalized, just not in the same way that have been.... It's fucking beautiful.
 

Leigh

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That's what I find so funny about this. We have some minority females who want equal rights and to embrace diversity, actively and cowardly campaigning against someone else who's marginalized, just not in the same way that have been.... It's fucking beautiful.
It's this part that I find truly disgusting:
“I thought he’d do a perfectly fine job, but it just felt inappropriate to have a white man there,”
No question against his ability to perform in the position but discriminating against him solely based on his race and gender.
 

HEATH VON DOOM

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It's this part that I find truly disgusting:

No question against his ability to perform in the position but discriminating against him solely based on his race and gender.
Your white privilege is showing through.
 

kneeblock

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This is the most amazing thing ever.... The left is eating itself.


Students: Transgender Woman Can’t Be Diversity Officer Because She’s a White Man Now
by KATHERINE TIMPF October 15, 2014 6:31 PM @KATTIMPF

Wellesley College students are okay with him on campus, but not in a leadership position. A student who was born female felt perfectly comfortable identifying as a man at Wellesley College — until people said he shouldn’t be class diversity officer because he is now a white male. Timothy Boatwright was born a girl, and checked off the “female” box when applying to the Massachusetts all-women’s school, according to an article in the New York Times. But when he got there, he introduced himself as a “masculine-of-center genderqueer” person named “Timothy” (the name he picked for himself) and asked them to use male pronouns when referring to him. And, by all accounts, Boatwright felt welcome on campus — until the day he announced that he wanted to run for the school’s office of multicultural affairs coordinator, whose job is to promote a “culture of diversity” on campus. But some students thought that allowing Boatwright to have the position would just perpetuate patriarchy. They were so opposed, in fact, that when the other three candidates (all women of color) dropped out, they started an anonymous Facebook campaign encouraging people not to vote at all to keep him from winning the position. “I thought he’d do a perfectly fine job, but it just felt inappropriate to have a white man there,” the student behind the so-called “Campaign to Abstain” said. “It’s not just about that position either,” the student added. “Having men in elected leadership positions undermines the idea of this being a place where women are the leaders.” Boatwright told the Times that his high-school friends knew he was transgender, but he identified himself as female on the application to Wellesley because he didn’t want his mom to know. Of course, Wellesley is also a female school, and “it seemed awkward to write an application essay for a women’s college on why you were not a woman,” he said. — Katherine Timpf is a reporter for National Review Online.

Read more at: Students: Transgender Woman Can't Be Diversity Officer Because She's a White Man Now | National Review Online
I'm not really sure how this equates solely with the left as there doesn't seem to be anything inherently political (in the American sense of left/right) about this.

I saw in your post above that you said you think the goal of the group is equality and now they've "cowardly campaigned against someone else who is marginalized." [sic] But their stated complaint is that his masculine identity (particularly at an all women's college) reinforces patriarchy, not that he should be ineligible because he's trans or that there is anything wrong with being trans.
 

ThatOneDude

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I'm not really sure how this equates solely with the left as there doesn't seem to be anything inherently political (in the American sense of left/right) about this.

I saw in your post above that you said you think the goal of the group is equality and now they've "cowardly campaigned against someone else who is marginalized." [sic] But their stated complaint is that his masculine identity (particularly at an all women's college) reinforces patriarchy, not that he should be ineligible because he's trans or that there is anything wrong with being trans.
His masculine identity has everything to do with being trans
 

Jambo

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could this situation have evolved in any other way?

at least its entertaining now
 

kneeblock

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His masculine identity has everything to do with being trans
Well obviously, but they're not persecuting him for transitioning. They're simply stating that having someone masculine identified as the head of the diversity committee (or any committee) reifies patriarchy. As the student quoted states, it's an all women's college where women are expected to gain leadership opportunities.
 

ThatOneDude

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Well obviously, but they're not persecuting him for transitioning. They're simply stating that having someone masculine identified as the head of the diversity committee (or any committee) reifies patriarchy. As the student quoted states, it's an all women's college where women are expected to gain leadership opportunities.
......... Really.......
 

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Well obviously, but they're not persecuting him for transitioning. They're simply stating that having someone masculine identified as the head of the diversity committee (or any committee) reifies patriarchy. As the student quoted states, it's an all women's college where women are expected to gain leadership opportunities.
If that's true, I'd say their ideas are fundamentally, logically and ethically flawed
 

ThatOneDude

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If that's true, I'd say their ideas are fundamentally, logically and ethically flawed
Agreed that's not diversity, that's oppression of a specific group of people due to their physiological make up and melanin content of their skin. Seems fairly sexist and racist to me.
 

Leigh

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I agree with the fundamental and ethical part, but I can see their logic in terms of the symbolism of the post.
Maybe I'm misreading your post but it reads as if all women at the college are expected to gain leadership opportunities. That's not very logical.

Having a masculine leader doesn't logically reify the patriarchy, especially if that leader was born female. I don't think the fact that my boss is white reifies white oppression or that a female leader reifies the matriarchy. A system of oppression is so much more than a leadership position.
 

kneeblock

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Maybe I'm misreading your post but it reads as if all women at the college are expected to gain leadership opportunities. That's not very logical.

Having a masculine leader doesn't logically reify the patriarchy, especially if that leader was born female. I don't think the fact that my boss is white reifies white oppression or that a female leader reifies the matriarchy. A system of oppression is so much more than a leadership position.
Agreed. Leadership does not equal oppression, but I'm quoting the complainants stated issues with the symbolism of a white male identified individual at the head of the diversity committee. They feel that is not in the spirit of the objectives of the group nor of their expectations upon enrolling at Wellesley. I think it's an interesting grey issue and not as clear cut as transphobia or discrimination per se.

An analogue would be a popular longtime worker who becomes a successful entrepreneur with their own 100 employee company campaigning for the presidency of a labor union in their former industry. There's a perceived change of roles and privileges that comes with a change of status.

The argument of the women in this case is a bit troubling and possibly dubious along ethical grounds, but more complex than what was being propounded in the original post.