General Electile Dysfunction: an election that lasts longer than 4 days is a serious medical problem

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ThatOneDude

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Chief Justice Thomas has become such a letdown for the Conservative movement. He's the new Justice Souter. It's weird how some "Conservative" Justices move to the left but the "Liberal" ones never move to the right...

Thanks Bush!
I think they become more centered. Which, personally, I like.
 

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Which of his rulings do you disagree with and why?
This is one of them and it talks a bit about how he's ruled with the more liberal justices in lots of cases recently...

John Roberts sides with supreme court liberals over Nevada church Covid opening

They shouldn't be left or right in their roles.

It's sad that that branch has gotten to the point that they're expected to rule on things along political lines.
I agree. I just think the Conservative Justices have been more willing to move to center more than the Liberal ones like Ginsburg and Sotomayer...

This is a while back but it's what I'm talking about...

 

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But WHY were the rulings bad bruv
I don't think we should be closing down churches while we allow other places to be open

I agree with Alito

“That Nevada would discriminate in favor of the powerful gaming industry and its employees may not come as a surprise, but this court’s willingness to allow such discrimination is disappointing,” Justice Samuel Alito wrote in a dissent joined by Justices Clarence Thomas and Brett Kavanaugh.

“We have a duty to defend the constitution, and even a public health emergency does not absolve us of that responsibility. The constitution guarantees the free exercise of religion. It says nothing about freedom to play craps or blackjack, to feed tokens into a slot machine or to engage in any other game of chance.”
 
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I don't think we should be closing down churches while we allow other places to be open

I agree with Alito

“That Nevada would discriminate in favor of the powerful gaming industry and its employees may not come as a surprise, but this court’s willingness to allow such discrimination is disappointing,” Justice Samuel Alito wrote in a dissent joined by Justices Clarence Thomas and Brett Kavanaugh.

“We have a duty to defend the constitution, and even a public health emergency does not absolve us of that responsibility. The constitution guarantees the free exercise of religion. It says nothing about freedom to play craps or blackjack, to feed tokens into a slot machine or to engage in any other game of chance.”
Yea I agree with Alito there as well. Tell me more of his bad rulings bruv
 

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Gonna need a better source bro. You're better than a "mixed" rating.

It felt sketchy which is why I asked for the check. Also why I used the word "if" instead of just saying "bad bad look. True."
 

Lukewarm Carl

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I don't think we should be closing down churches while we allow other places to be open

I agree with Alito

“That Nevada would discriminate in favor of the powerful gaming industry and its employees may not come as a surprise, but this court’s willingness to allow such discrimination is disappointing,” Justice Samuel Alito wrote in a dissent joined by Justices Clarence Thomas and Brett Kavanaugh.

“We have a duty to defend the constitution, and even a public health emergency does not absolve us of that responsibility. The constitution guarantees the free exercise of religion. It says nothing about freedom to play craps or blackjack, to feed tokens into a slot machine or to engage in any other game of chance.”
Not directly related to that but just a general question... For everyone actually...

What's your thoughts on churches ability to apply for and receive PPP loans?
 

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Trump sought to tap Sidney Powell as special counsel for election fraud
The meeting was first reported by the New York Times.

Powell, a conservative firebrand who represented Flynn in his long-running fight against a criminal for lying to the FBI, also has amplified calls for Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act. Since early November, she has spearheaded a wide-ranging legal campaign to overturn the 2020 election results that has been sharply rejected in courts across the country.

According to the person familiar with Friday’s meeting, the animated gathering featured yelling and screaming, with the lawyers often accusing each other of failing to sufficiently support the president's efforts. Flynn and Powell both said they needed the Trump administration to do more to support their efforts to reverse President-elect Joe Biden's win. Giuliani and Powell also turned their ire on each other. The source said National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien, a successor to Flynn, participated by phone.

Powell was briefly a formal adviser to Trump's campaign in the aftermath of the election but was cut from the official team early in the legal push. Powell, Giuliani and Meadows did not respond to requests for comment.

Appointing a special counsel through the Justice Department under current regulations would require the concurrence of the attorney general. Amid some tension with Trump over election-related issues, Attorney General William Barr has announced plans to step down effective Wednesday. After that, the task would fall to Deputy Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen.

In an interview last week, Rosen declined to say whether he had plans to name any special counsels during the waning days of the administration, but he portrayed a business-as-usual atmosphere that seems at odds with him taking such a dramatic move.

A Justice Department spokeswoman did not immediately respond to requests for comment on whether any department personnel were involved in the Friday talks at the White House.

Trump could name Powell or someone else as a special counsel without Justice Department buy-in, but that person would lack the powerful tools federal prosecutors have to demand evidence and compel testimony through grand juries and other legal mechanisms available only to formally appointed Justice Department attorneys.

Senior U.S. Army officials said Friday, in response to Flynn's recent calls, that the military would have "no role" in determining the outcome of the U.S. election.
 

ThatOneDude

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Trump sought to tap Sidney Powell as special counsel for election fraud
The meeting was first reported by the New York Times.

Powell, a conservative firebrand who represented Flynn in his long-running fight against a criminal for lying to the FBI, also has amplified calls for Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act. Since early November, she has spearheaded a wide-ranging legal campaign to overturn the 2020 election results that has been sharply rejected in courts across the country.

According to the person familiar with Friday’s meeting, the animated gathering featured yelling and screaming, with the lawyers often accusing each other of failing to sufficiently support the president's efforts. Flynn and Powell both said they needed the Trump administration to do more to support their efforts to reverse President-elect Joe Biden's win. Giuliani and Powell also turned their ire on each other. The source said National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien, a successor to Flynn, participated by phone.

Powell was briefly a formal adviser to Trump's campaign in the aftermath of the election but was cut from the official team early in the legal push. Powell, Giuliani and Meadows did not respond to requests for comment.

Appointing a special counsel through the Justice Department under current regulations would require the concurrence of the attorney general. Amid some tension with Trump over election-related issues, Attorney General William Barr has announced plans to step down effective Wednesday. After that, the task would fall to Deputy Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen.

In an interview last week, Rosen declined to say whether he had plans to name any special counsels during the waning days of the administration, but he portrayed a business-as-usual atmosphere that seems at odds with him taking such a dramatic move.

A Justice Department spokeswoman did not immediately respond to requests for comment on whether any department personnel were involved in the Friday talks at the White House.

Trump could name Powell or someone else as a special counsel without Justice Department buy-in, but that person would lack the powerful tools federal prosecutors have to demand evidence and compel testimony through grand juries and other legal mechanisms available only to formally appointed Justice Department attorneys.

Senior U.S. Army officials said Friday, in response to Flynn's recent calls, that the military would have "no role" in determining the outcome of the U.S. election.
The plan MUST be trusted!
 

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Trump sought to tap Sidney Powell as special counsel for election fraud
The meeting was first reported by the New York Times.

Powell, a conservative firebrand who represented Flynn in his long-running fight against a criminal for lying to the FBI, also has amplified calls for Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act. Since early November, she has spearheaded a wide-ranging legal campaign to overturn the 2020 election results that has been sharply rejected in courts across the country.

According to the person familiar with Friday’s meeting, the animated gathering featured yelling and screaming, with the lawyers often accusing each other of failing to sufficiently support the president's efforts. Flynn and Powell both said they needed the Trump administration to do more to support their efforts to reverse President-elect Joe Biden's win. Giuliani and Powell also turned their ire on each other. The source said National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien, a successor to Flynn, participated by phone.

Powell was briefly a formal adviser to Trump's campaign in the aftermath of the election but was cut from the official team early in the legal push. Powell, Giuliani and Meadows did not respond to requests for comment.

Appointing a special counsel through the Justice Department under current regulations would require the concurrence of the attorney general. Amid some tension with Trump over election-related issues, Attorney General William Barr has announced plans to step down effective Wednesday. After that, the task would fall to Deputy Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen.

In an interview last week, Rosen declined to say whether he had plans to name any special counsels during the waning days of the administration, but he portrayed a business-as-usual atmosphere that seems at odds with him taking such a dramatic move.

A Justice Department spokeswoman did not immediately respond to requests for comment on whether any department personnel were involved in the Friday talks at the White House.

Trump could name Powell or someone else as a special counsel without Justice Department buy-in, but that person would lack the powerful tools federal prosecutors have to demand evidence and compel testimony through grand juries and other legal mechanisms available only to formally appointed Justice Department attorneys.

Senior U.S. Army officials said Friday, in response to Flynn's recent calls, that the military would have "no role" in determining the outcome of the U.S. election.
I wonder if it will turn out better than is last election fraud investigation?
 

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Not directly related to that but just a general question... For everyone actually...

What's your thoughts on churches ability to apply for and receive PPP loans?
Withour getting into the nuance of where their money might be going, nonprofits still have expenses.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Churches specifically. Because not all tax exempt entities in the US are created equally.
Doesn't change my opinion. If any nonprofit needs a loan because they have expenses the pandemic won't allow them to cover they should be eligible for loans. Obviously people will use examples like Joel Osteen but the reality is that's not common place.

Here locally there's a non-religious preschool that operates out of a church. During the pandemic the church covered lost wages for their staff forced out of work.
 

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ThatOneDude

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Doesn't change my opinion. If any nonprofit needs a loan because they have expenses the pandemic won't allow them to cover they should be eligible for loans. Obviously people will use examples like Joel Osteen but the reality is that's not common place.

Here locally there's a non-religious preschool that operates out of a church. During the pandemic the church covered lost wages for their staff forced out of work.
Do churches pay taxes in Canada?
 

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Doesn't change my opinion. If any nonprofit needs a loan because they have expenses the pandemic won't allow them to cover they should be eligible for loans. Obviously people will use examples like Joel Osteen but the reality is that's not common place.

Here locally there's a non-religious preschool that operates out of a church. During the pandemic the church covered lost wages for their staff forced out of work.
I have a very hard time reconciling a church having access to government benefits when they fight so hard to maintain their lack of oversight from the government.

Probably has something to do with the abuse of the system as a whole that I see coming from "moral majority" land which has infected so much of politics and actively tries to steer the govt and how it spends without contributing to it.

Being geographically blocked by Liberty/Falwell and Regent/Robertson definitely puts me in the perspective that if you want the benefits of "separation of church and state" then you really do need to remain separate. If you're going to work for a political party and participate in government then you need to participate accordingly with your dollars being taxed like every other business.



That's just me. I also think that active military receiving housing stipends is a sham in many ways. But that's for another day.