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Freeloading Rusty

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Ted Cruz Mocked After He Demands Military Stop Bullying Tucker Carlson

One Twitter user wondered what would happen if the Texas Republican "stood up for his wife, father, kids, and dog like he does for Tucker Carlson."
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Hauler

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Freeloading Rusty said:
So you do or don’t support the Biden policy of detention of children?
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If they come over, you have to detain them and sort it out. The key is to not let them over - or to be brought over - in the first place.

Sending out messages of open borders only perpetuates the problem, which is what they are dealing with now.

You keep talking about Biden's policy. I have no idea what it is. Is it "Make statements of humanity and acceptance", but then to not actually have a plan in place when poor people at their wit's end in Mexico take that message to heart and throw their kid on the back of a fruit truck?
 
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Splinty said:
By what mechanism do you think they are entering?
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Trucks.
Cars.
Caravans.
Feet.

Maybe of their own choosing. Maybe not.

I don't know.
I'm sure it's a loaded question, but why does that matter?
 
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Freeloading Rusty said:
Are you sure about that?

2019...


Every president sees an influx. This shit comes in waves. Obama did in 2014 and Trump did in 2019... now it’s Biden’s turn in 2021.
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Am I sure about that?
No. I learned about it on the news.

So I know what they want me to know. I don't live down there.
 
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Hauler said:
Trucks.
Cars.
Caravans.
Feet.

Maybe of their own choosing. Maybe not.

I don't know.
I'm sure it's a loaded question, but why does that matter?
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Your post implies that the reason that these children are here is because our border is porous. It's not. They mostly walk across the legal international bridge turn themselves into border patrol and ask for asylum.

We have ratified our treaties with the United Nations asylum agreements.
When they arrive asking for asylum we're forced to start the asylum process.

One of the largest reasons that there are so many children in custody is yes there is a increase in arrivals right now, but mostly it's pandemic related holding in reduction in community programs where these children normally reside until their asylum processes complete.

Regardless my point is that you're conflating the number of arrivals of children and in custody as being a marker for a porous border. It's not.
 
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Splinty said:
Your post implies that the reason that these children are here is because our border is porous. It's not. They mostly walk across the legal international bridge turn themselves into border patrol and ask for asylum.

We have ratified our treaties with the United Nations asylum agreements.
When they arrive asking for asylum we're forced to start the asylum process.

One of the largest reasons that there are so many children in custody is yes there is a increase in arrivals right now, but mostly it's pandemic related holding in reduction in community programs where these children normally reside until their asylum processes complete.

Regardless my point is that you're conflating the number of arrivals of children and in custody as being a marker for a porous border. It's not.
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Fair enough.
 
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Hauler said:
Fair enough.
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It's a complicated issue.
Trump used a law to block their entrance to keep them in Mexico while they wait to request an asylum claim due to pandemic reasoning. That's continues some under Biden but not fully. And it'll eventually stop.

Trump leaned on mexico to stop the movement through their country to getting to our international entryways.

Legally, if they come here asking for asylum we have to process them. We chose that.
Yes it's a little dirty that guatemalans jump through mexico to ask here instead of mexico, but it's the legal right to show up at any country doing so. They could take a plane and arrive requesting asylum with the same process. And mexico hasn't really supported appropriate asylum processes (by definition human right) when cracking down on those entering to ask for asylum here. Basically, Trump outsourced immigration blocking to Mexico to prevent asylum request in the first place and then used the pandemic to further restrict those request. Many of the childrens parents are already here in their own asylum processes or completed and approved as refugees.


This is all quite different than visa overstays which are the largest route for illegal immigration.
My opinions haven't changed. I think illegal immigration needs serious crackdown, mostly by way of E-verify and even a rewriting of birthright citizenship. I'm not a dove on this issue.

But asylum claims are an international agreed human right.
 
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Splinty said:
It's a complicated issue.
Trump used a law to block their entrance to keep them in Mexico while they wait to request an asylum claim due to pandemic reasoning. That's continues some under Biden but not fully. And it'll eventually stop.

Trump leaned on mexico to stop the movement through their country to getting to our international entryways.

Legally, if they come here asking for asylum we have to process them. We chose that.
Yes it's a little dirty that guatemalans jump through mexico to ask here instead of mexico, but it's the legal right to show up at any country doing so. They could take a plane and arrive requesting asylum with the same process. And mexico hasn't really supported appropriate asylum processes (by definition human right) when cracking down on those entering to ask for asylum here. Basically, Trump outsourced immigration blocking to Mexico to prevent asylum request in the first place and then used the pandemic to further restrict those request. Many of the childrens parents are already here in their own asylum processes or completed and approved as refugees.


This is all quite different than visa overstays which are the largest route for illegal immigration.
My opinions haven't changed. I think illegal immigration needs serious crackdown, mostly by way of E-verify and even a rewriting of birthright citizenship. I'm not a dove on this issue.

But asylum claims are an international agreed human right.
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Isn't asylum typically reserved for wrongful persecution? Ex: Religion. Race. Political opposition.
???
 
Freeloading Rusty

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Splinty said:
Why you so cranky this morning?
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Second time in a week we had a discussion about criticism from him on a subject he stated he is willfully ignorant about and does not understand the policy or didn’t read the study.

And it’s that time of the month.
 
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Freeloading Rusty said:
Second time in a week we had a discussion about criticism from him on a subject he stated he is willfully ignorant about and does not understand the policy or didn’t read the study.

And it’s that time of the month.
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What was the 1st one?
You better not be talking about Covid job data. Because I pwn3d your ass on that one.

1st round KO.

This one was a draw. @Splinty chose education. You just ragged out and got mean. :leftright:
 
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Hauler said:
Isn't asylum typically reserved for wrongful persecution? Ex: Religion. Race. Political opposition.
???
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Those are categories but also threat of violence/death due to social group.

Each person that arrives asking for asylum it must be processed through legal channels. It's very expensive to do that on our end and its slow because we don't have enough judges to litigate all of them at once. A quick Google this week tells me that about 60% of them are approved. So not a vast majority but a majority of the claims are accurate.

In the case of Guatemala and El Salvador most of the issue is gang violence where being a family member of the wrong person gets you targeted. That's targeted by social group. You're just chilling in the cartel decides to shake down your cousin so they decide they're going to come and kill you by proxy.

We cut aide funding to Central America on principle a few years ago at about the same time gang violence was starting to ramp up a little bit on its own. So this definitely exacerbated the problem.

I'm not sure if it's cheaper to just give aid to those governments to help crack down on the gangs And it's to their own security. But it would sure seem like a better use of funds than many of the things we spend money on It helped prevent us being in tough situations like this one.
 
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Splinty said:
Those are categories but also threat of violence/death due to social group.

Each person that arrives asking for asylum it must be processed through legal channels. It's very expensive to do that on our end and its slow because we don't have enough judges to litigate all of them at once. A quick Google this week tells me that about 60% of them are approved. So not a vast majority but a majority of the claims are accurate.

In the case of Guatemala and El Salvador most of the issue is gang violence where being a family member of the wrong person gets you targeted. That's targeted by social group. You're just chilling in the cartel decides to shake down your cousin so they decide they're going to come and kill you by proxy.

We cut aide funding to Central America on principle a few years ago at about the same time gang violence was starting to ramp up a little bit on its own. So this definitely exacerbated the problem.

I'm not sure if it's cheaper to just give aid to those governments to help crack down on the gangs And it's to their own security. But it would sure seem like a better use of funds than many of the things we spend money on It helped prevent us being in tough situations like this one.
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Sounds like Mexico needs to get their shit together.
 
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