British brothers and sisters, y'all wearing poppies or nah?

[Hired Gun]

Former Backwater/X/Academy CEO Eric Prince has and is training an entire Contract Army for China in Africa. It's been there for a few yrs now. I used to have allot of respect for Eric and what he did. That is pretty much all gone over the last several yrs or so. I can understand why he's doing what he's doing to some extent after our Gov fried him at a Congressional hearing but it still doesn't justify this.

China has more shit going on in this world than people think. Africa will be the place where the next huge war is at. China will be right in the middle of it. Granted this could be a proxy war but it's coming.

Sorry I got off topic

 

[Sweets]

My Daily Fail favourite is the 9,000 ways you can get cancer from living.

I wear a poppy out of sympathy with a bunch of terrified young men. WW1 and 2 history gets me in the heart. But I completely understand the ideological and political reasoning behind not wearing one, or why some people wear a white one. Now that the vast majority of WW2 soldiers have died, though, I can see myself lapsing in wearing it because I wear it out of sympathy for them, not as a marker of a militaristic bent of thinking. Definitely not a "glory of war" person. Maybe I'll start re-reading "The Restoration Trilogy" every year instead.

It's not the culture here to wear it but the reasons are laudable and I have no problem in principal. Conor took some flack for wearing one, but only from a fringe group easily put in there place..

 

[ThatOneDude]

There was more oil being exported in the corrupt UN's oil for food program

U.S. Imports from Iraq of Crude Oil and Petroleum Products (Thousand Barrels)

China on the other hand...
Iraq - International - Analysis - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)


By every measure, the USA was better off profiteering in the previous setup with the UN keeping Iraq on lockdown.

Afghanistan?

OEC - Afghanistan (AFG) Exports, Imports, and Trade Partners
A rather paltry trade.

Maybe we did go in for oil. But we are just REALLY bad at reaping the benefits if that's the case.

Giving contracts to government chosen economic winners? Protecting geopolitical position? Those all seem like obvious winners

The idea of going for oil? Never seemed to make sense as we were the most secure in the previous setup and the numbers show its just not happening.

Stop ruining the narrative of the US stealing all the oil..... Especially when we export more than we import.


Some people 's critical thinking is lacking.

 

[MadFatChickKilla]

I think we need a "you all think America is eating the world's resources, check out China" thread lol

And the one baby per house hold rule has been dropped, dammit they're going for 2 billion people!

 

[HEATH VON DOOM]

I always donate to the VFW guys outside the grocery store and get a poppy in return. Also the National WW1 museum has a glass floor entrance and when you look down through the glass they have poppies all over. It gives me goosebumps everytime I visit there.

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[SAJ]

There was more oil being exported in the corrupt UN's oil for food program

U.S. Imports from Iraq of Crude Oil and Petroleum Products (Thousand Barrels)

China on the other hand...
Iraq - International - Analysis - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)


By every measure, the USA was better off profiteering in the previous setup with the UN keeping Iraq on lockdown.

Afghanistan?

OEC - Afghanistan (AFG) Exports, Imports, and Trade Partners
A rather paltry trade.

Maybe we did go in for oil. But we are just REALLY bad at reaping the benefits if that's the case.

Giving contracts to government chosen economic winners? Protecting geopolitical position? Those all seem like obvious winners

The idea of going for oil? Never seemed to make sense as we were the most secure in the previous setup and the numbers show its just not happening.

I'll tell you why it makes sense to me

The only reason we invaded was the same as why you invaded evey other country over the last 25 years. They stopped trading oil in USD. The Dollar is backed by oil, and any time a major oil supplier or their neighbors switch to a local currency for oil trade, we invade within a year. Lookup the petrodollar. Iraq, twice, Syria, and nearly every spec ops cia nonsense in South America .THERE WERE NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. We didn't NEED to be over there

Why is this so hard to believe? People get fed this controlled, corporate, media propaganda and they eat it right up.

There's good, patriotic decent Americans in the government. There's also evil people involved in the government

Wasn't one of the reasons we invaded the middle east tbecause 'they attacked us on 9/11'. What a load of Bullshit that whole farce was. 9/11 was a false flag. Anyone who has done their own research knows it was a cover up. The official report is a fairy tale full of coincidences, inconsistencies and miracles. There are literally people on this board who went to fight in Iraq after 9/11. They went to war based on a lie

What about the recent leak where Tony blair sent a memo to bush about the invasion of Iraq 12 months prior to the invasion? While he was telling us guys in the UK he wanted peace with the middle east. People just can't accept that their government are essentially evil gangsters. They will lie to go to war again whenever they feel like it. History tends to repeat itself.

 

[Lamont Cranston]

We don't wear them in Hong Kong, but I always wore one in Canada.

I believe the poppy thing is more Canadian than British, isn't it?

Those gap toothed b@stards steal everything that's cool from us.

 

[lookoutawhale]

We wear poppies in Canada too.

 

[Deleted member 1]

The Dollar is backed by oil

The dollar is backed by us being the reserve currency of the world and our ridiculously mature and diverse economy.

I think the petrodollar theory is crap honestly. I've been hearing it for 20 years and longer. This oil market was an even smaller share of the world market trade at that time.

How long does it take to trade oil in Euros or yen or anything else? Seconds in the modern international commodities market. Russia news says every few years they are about to do it! The idea is a short term threat for that sitting US president, but there is no long term threat (more on that in a second).Russia could move to Euros or anything else now, today.

The real goal is that these actors would like to move to a novel currency that rides an international average and not a single economy. They wish to guard against speculation and wild flux in their ability to move in and out of their reserve currency, lest they see their banks break like the bank of england.

Does trading in Euros hurt the US?
Sure short term as people will move a small portion of their reserves to Euro. But the vast majority of their reserves will remain in which ever economy will hedge their own currency against risk.
Long term the petrodollar idea ignores the fact that there are gold, copper, natural gas, etc etc etc markets. Oil is hardly the only thing traded and no one is calling for the theory of the "wheatdollar"

What hurts the US dollar a lot more? Well when everyone holds your currency the risk is domestic.
If we devalue our dollar and just print off a ton to pay the debts, we will be debt free. But doing this all at once hurts those that hold our reserve currency.
On the other hand, we will never forfeit on a debt as we can increasingly pay debt with ease as our economy goes down. We have a (unfair?) built in buffer with this privileged position. That is entirely independent of oil.

People just can't accept that their government are essentially evil gangsters.

Sure I can.

As I mentioned, handouts to the likes of Halliburton, geopolitical strategy, etc. are all much more likely.
We went into a myriad of countries in South America that didn't and weren't expected to provide oil.

 

[ThatOneDude]

I'll tell you why it makes sense to me

The only reason we invaded was the same as why you invaded evey other country over the last 25 years. They stopped trading oil in USD. The Dollar is backed by oil, and any time a major oil supplier or their neighbors switch to a local currency for oil trade, we invade within a year. Lookup the petrodollar. Iraq, twice, Syria, and nearly every spec ops cia nonsense in South America .THERE WERE NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. We didn't NEED to be over there

Why is this so hard to believe? People get fed this controlled, corporate, media propaganda and they eat it right up.

There's good, patriotic decent Americans in the government. There's also evil people involved in the government

Wasn't one of the reasons we invaded the middle east tbecause 'they attacked us on 9/11'. What a load of Bullshit that whole farce was. 9/11 was a false flag. Anyone who has done their own research knows it was a cover up. The official report is a fairy tale full of coincidences, inconsistencies and miracles. There are literally people on this board who went to fight in Iraq after 9/11. They went to war based on a lie

What about the recent leak where Tony blair sent a memo to bush about the invasion of Iraq 12 months prior to the invasion? While he was telling us guys in the UK he wanted peace with the middle east. People just can't accept that their government are essentially evil gangsters. They will lie to go to war again whenever they feel like it. History tends to repeat itself.

Can you site the research you have done. Because so far youve been very wrong about 3 of your major points
There's so much wrong in your post, and as a vet who fought in Iraq and lost friends, I agree we probably shouldn't have been there. But just as you tell others to not follow the media and propaganda you need to do that as well. It's not a black or white situation like you are painting it. It's a murky grey, and it sucks.

 

[Deleted member 1]

Can you site the research you have done. Because so far youve been very wrong about 3 of your major points

Hes referencing a well sourced side that is in google. < --- EDIT - thats not supposed to sound sarcastic. The petrodollar idea is well talked about.

Be polite fuckhead.

 

[ThatOneDude]

Hes referencing a well sourced side that is in google.

Be polite fuckhead.

I was asking for his reference, what's the issue with that? He speaks in such certain terms, I just want to know where this confidence comes from, so I too can see the light.

 

[Deleted member 1]

I was asking for his reference, what's the issue with that? He speaks in such certain terms, I just want to know where this confidence comes from, so I too can see the light.

He hasn't been 'wrong'. He's got his side and I've got mine.
Maybe he'll come back and show how I'm totally misled.

 

[ThatOneDude]

He hasn't been 'wrong'. He's got his side and I've got mine.
Maybe he'll come back and show how I'm totally misled.

Oh he's been 'wrong' on a few things.

 

[SAJ]

@Splinty You make solid points that I can't seem to counter yet regarding the petrodollar theory. So let me ask you, why do you think they invaded the middle east? Why did they ever need to be there?


is it absurd to assume that they planned the iraq invasion long ago and were itching for a chance to invade the middle east? How many times did we accuse Sadamm of having access to anthrax or having weapons of mass destruction before we actually invaded. None of these were ever found btw. What about Tony blairs memo regarding the invasion of Iraq a year before it actually happened? This was planned. There was a reason why they wanted to be in the middle east

You didn't mention 9/11, was that not a false flag operation to further their agenda to inavde the middle east? How many times will our governments lie to us before we wake up?

In 2015 it's frowned upon to challenge and question our authority/government. This is crazy.

Imo UK and USA will be bankrupt in the next 10 years. I can see China and or russia becoming the supercountry of the worlds.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

You didn't mention 9/11, was that not a false flag operation to further their agenda to inavde the middle east? How many times will our governments lie to us before we wake up?

I generally try to avoid topics this far off the rails, but I can give you a couple reasons why 9/11 was almost certainly not a false flag. 1) Motive, or lack thereof 2) The sheer man power required to pull off that large scale of an attack, and that to this day every single person has completely kept their mouths shut.

 

[jason73]

i bought a poppy on the weekend from some old legionaires at the mall. i gave them 5 bucks and they gave me a handful of poppies.i said no,one is enough but they insisted i take several in case i lost it.i said then i will buy another one.i actually have one good one i bought years ago with a proper pin that wont fall off or stab into me.i just buy them anyway because it is a good cause and the vets deserve the money.we will also take a collection at work and the company will match it every year. i do not donate to many charities but i have no problem giving money to the veterans.

 

[SAJ]

I generally try to avoid topics this far off the rails, but I can give you a couple reasons why 9/11 was almost certainly not a false flag. 1) Motive, or lack thereof 2) The sheer man power required to pull off that large scale of an attack, and that to this day every single person has completely kept their mouths shut.

Have you looked into it? Most of the official story has already been debunked in this thread.

A 9/11 Conspiracy Film Worth Watching | Page 5 | The MMA Community Forum

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Have you looked into it? Most of the official story has already been debunked in this thread.

A 9/11 Conspiracy Film Worth Watching | Page 5 | The MMA Community Forum

That's why I tend to avoid these discussions. I'm not asking anyone to debunk the official story. I'm asking for anyone who's saying it was a false flag to give me 1) An iron-clad motive 2) A way to have kept all of it a secret for the past 14 years.

 

[SongExotic2]

If I can find one I will. My sqn laid a wreath at the cenotaph a few years back. Was a fun day out. I befriended some hobos and got the to go start shit with anti war protestors.

Then got told off

 

[Zeph]

I generally try to avoid topics this far off the rails, but I can give you a couple reasons why 9/11 was almost certainly not a false flag. 1) Motive, or lack thereof 2) The sheer man power required to pull off that large scale of an attack, and that to this day every single person has completely kept their mouths shut.

1) Massive military contracts for corporations you hold large interests in are massive motives.2. Everyone oversells how many people would be required to pull it off, you would need some co-conspirators, but when you are in positions of power you can give out orders for people to follow and they will unwittingly co-operate to make something happen.

America has had proven plans for false flag operations since the 60s, to outright deny it could happen due to motive and man power is naive at best, willfully ignorant at worse.

 

[Leigh]

Facts:

After WW2, the US convinced a number of countries to invest gold to support the US dollar, which would become an international currency.

When Richard Nixon became president, he defaulted on the gold. He just stole it. This would have devalued the dollar but he convinced a number of oil producing Arab states to only trade in US dollars, in return for US military protection. This meant that anyone who wants Arab oil must first buy US dollars. The dollar no longer needed gold to support its value; it was now backed by the value of oil. Nixon then printed a shit load of money to support the Vietnam war and the rest of the oil buying world had to suck it up.

Recently, some Arab countries have expressed an interest in trading in currencies other than the US dollar.

Opinion:

"You no longer want to trade in US dollars? No problem, thanks for your business. Oh btw, what are you hiding in that bunker?"
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"Hi Syria, you're allies with Iran? That's cool. Oh btw, are those chemical weapons you're using?"
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"So you guys no longer need US military support in the Middle East? No problem. Oh btw, have you met my good friend ISIS?"

 

[ThatOneDude]

So no sources or counters, got it

 

[Leigh]

So no sources or counters, got it

Is that aimed at me? I can provide sources for the facts I listed.

 

[ThatOneDude]

Is that aimed at me? I can provide sources for the facts I listed.

Nope not you sir, I know you can.