Gripens were deemed the worst of the 3 options for the Swiss Airforce, not making minimum requirements in any category. Rafaele's are the best, according to the Swiss, but I don't know if they have arctic clearance.
Problem is those guys fuck off as soon as the weather gets cold.
We've managed to keep America out twice, we must be doing something right.Nice trick. Canada doesn't have a military. Just those Mountie guys.
Fenian actions were hilarious. U.S. Stopped their feasibility because they were more interested in trade with the Brits than acquiring more elk meat. I'm able to get by on deer jerky so it's all worked out.
Don't underestimate Goose jerky. When the weather gets cold and those draft dodgers make a run for the border I try to put a couple in the freezer.
Oh, I don't. There's plenty of geese in MN.
I'm not going to argue they're as good as deer, but they're more plentiful and having no possession limit makes them more appealing to me than a single whitetail.
That's because F-15's are not in their scenario.
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They're extremely decrepit, we had a fleet of 138 and we are down to 14-18 that can still get airborne. In Iraq/Syria we could only manage a mission every two days. The planes are from the early 80s.
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We have no f-15s and I don't think they are in production or for sale...
Yes, they are for sale
For a reason. Any 5th generation fighter will shoot them out of the air like ducks.
Is that why they are still NATO's backbone?
When exactly will Canada be deploying 5th gen stealth aircraft.
Are Sukoi-SU-37's traversing Canada's borders?
Have they ever?
This is for bomber defense ONLY.
Fighters do not escort them.
Everything else is window dressing.
Considering a massive concern for Canada should be arctic security, which will see them butting heads with Russia in the future, if Canada has mainly a bunch of F-15, you better hope you don't see Sukoi-SU-37's traversing Canadian borders. This purchase should be about Canada's long term future, and long term those F-15 are going to be worthless.
Has anyone looked into costs we may be on the hook for by scrapping the program?
...I thought not.
...I thought not.
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Which costs would we be on the hook for though? I can't find anything...
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Arctic security is already done by NATO F_15's.
If Canada were in any serious discussion with expert military analysts regarding Canada's future Air Superiority, then none of the five plane suggested would even be mentioned.
Would there be any? Genuinely curious, I haven't followed this much, but am interested in the quality of the 5th generation fighters.
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Which will have to be replaced at some point. I was under the impression that this was one of the goals of Canada's purchase? Is this a wrong assumption?
Can you expand on this? Why won't 5th generation fighters be in any serious discussion for Canada's future Air Superiority? What will?
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Well there is the money we already poured into the program.
The threat of manufacturing jobs lost, but they are actually not guaranteed and part of having multiple competitors is you can make them add guaranteed jobs for parts production to the contracts.
There may be a cancellation/pull out fee but I can't find it.
The program itself is saying this will raise the cost of the jets by 1 million each for other countries.
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Yes the whole point of this procurement is to replace 4th generation fighters with 5th ones, not get another 4th generation fighter.
Because Russian bombers are faster than all of them, and electronic jamming renders fifth gen fighters useless.
Ok, I'm gonna hit the comluter in a second and break this ALL down