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FINGERS

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It was a very big, public deal at the time.To be framing it as "Going peacefully about their business" I assumed you weren't aware of it.

I worked on it.

Gore conceded in the public interest then after the fact he decided to challenge it in the courts.

Are you trying to conflate trump/republicans as behaving in the same manner?

As always with you. What is your point?
 

BeardOfKnowledge

The Most Consistent Motherfucker You Know
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I worked on it.

Gore conceded in the public interest then after the fact he decided to challenge it in the courts.

Are you trying to conflate trump/republicans as behaving in the same manner?

As always with you. What is your point?
I'm not conflating anything, I was pointing put that the characterization you applied is wrong. The DNC didn't just skulk off to fight another day. They retracted their concession and dragged it out as long as they could until the courts told them to kick rocks.

I was giving you benefit of the doubt that you may not have known.
 

FINGERS

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I'm not conflating anything, I was pointing put that the characterization you applied is wrong. The DNC didn't just skulk off to fight another day. They retracted their concession and dragged it out as long as they could until the courts told them to kick rocks.

I was giving you benefit of the doubt that you may not have known.

Honestly. I've dealt with you for 2 years now. You never have to give me the benefit of any doubt. If I don't know I will ask. I am a BAFTA award winning news editor. I know a lot about a lot when it comes to news. More than you will ever know if I'm being honest.

Your post is bullshit. Gore conceded because he knew if he didn't the country would be rudderless and massively weakened. He was the bigger man for the sake of the country. He then used the country's levers of law to make sure he did actually lose.

Arguably its still moot as the hanging chad fiasco was clearly open to misinterpretation and illegality. But he saw the bigger picture and realised the better part of valour was to concede for the good of the country and his countrymen.

Honour was a thing back then. For Democrats anyway.

So. Your point was? My 'characterization' was wrong even though I asked what you point was before my post was posted?

What was your original point?
 

kaladin stormblessed

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I'm not conflating anything, I was pointing put that the characterization you applied is wrong. The DNC didn't just skulk off to fight another day. They retracted their concession and dragged it out as long as they could until the courts told them to kick rocks.

I was giving you benefit of the doubt that you may not have known.
im not too well versed on the subject, but since no one has said it yet, the scenarios are different in that:

- recount of Gore showed he won
- recounts of Trump showed he still lost
 

John Lee Pettimore

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Honestly. I've dealt with you for 2 years now. You never have to give me the benefit of any doubt. If I don't know I will ask. I am a BAFTA award winning news editor. I know a lot about a lot when it comes to news. More than you will ever know if I'm being honest.

Your post is bullshit. Gore conceded because he knew if he didn't the country would be rudderless and massively weakened. He was the bigger man for the sake of the country. He then used the country's levers of law to make sure he did actually lose.

Arguably its still moot as the hanging chad fiasco was clearly open to misinterpretation and illegality. But he saw the bigger picture and realised the better part of valour was to concede for the good of the country and his countrymen.

Honour was a thing back then. For Democrats anyway.

So. Your point was? My 'characterization' was wrong even though I asked what you point was before my post was posted?

What was your original point?
It's pathetic, isn't it.

There are only two possible scenarios here.

1) He's just a troll, and everything he posts in a political thread is a bad faith "argument". In which case, he's a dick and there's no point even trying to engage with him, as he's not here to do anything but be an asshole troll. Can't do anything with those types.

Or.

2) He genuinely believes his own bullshit, and is such a binary thinker that he legitimately cannot move past "Democrats also challenged the result in 2000, therefore both the same." In which case, he's just a low-information drone with no critical thinking skills, who is impervious to reality.



Either way, what's the point?

??
 

BeardOfKnowledge

The Most Consistent Motherfucker You Know
Jul 22, 2015
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Honestly. I've dealt with you for 2 years now. You never have to give me the benefit of any doubt. If I don't know I will ask. I am a BAFTA award winning news editor. I know a lot about a lot when it comes to news. More than you will ever know if I'm being honest.

Your post is bullshit. Gore conceded because he knew if he didn't the country would be rudderless and massively weakened. He was the bigger man for the sake of the country. He then used the country's levers of law to make sure he did actually lose.

Arguably its still moot as the hanging chad fiasco was clearly open to misinterpretation and illegality. But he saw the bigger picture and realised the better part of valour was to concede for the good of the country and his countrymen.

Honour was a thing back then. For Democrats anyway.

So. Your point was? My 'characterization' was wrong even though I asked what you point was before my post was posted?

What was your original point?
The point was you were wrong. The didnt go peacefully into the night. They fought it tooth and nail.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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It's pathetic, isn't it.

There are only two possible scenarios here.

1) He's just a troll, and everything he posts in a political thread is a bad faith "argument". In which case, he's a dick and there's no point even trying to engage with him, as he's not here to do anything but be an asshole troll. Can't do anything with those types.

Or.

2) He genuinely believes his own bullshit, and is such a binary thinker that he legitimately cannot move past "Democrats also challenged the result in 2000, therefore both the same." In which case, he's just a low-information drone with no critical thinking skills, who is impervious to reality.



Either way, what's the point?

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The point was obvious to anyone not looking for a fight. He made a statement, the statement was wrong. I corrected him, world keeps on spinning.
 

FINGERS

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The point was you were wrong. The didnt go peacefully into the night. They fought it tooth and nail.

So your answer to the question 'Whats your point?' by me from a post you gave earlier to when I asked 'what is your point?

Is to say your point was 'I was wrong' despite me not posting before your garbage post before I posted?

Right.

You can see how that might come across as you being a moron right?
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Jul 22, 2015
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So your answer to the question 'Whats your point?' by me from a post you gave earlier to when I asked 'what is your point?

Is to say your point was 'I was wrong' despite me not posting before your garbage post before I posted?

Right.

You can see how that might come across as you being a moron right?
This interaction began when I quoted you. So it's pretty safe to say that you had posted before me.
 

John Lee Pettimore

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The point was obvious to anyone not looking for a fight. He made a statement, the statement was wrong. I corrected him, world keeps on spinning.
Yeah, don't bother. Your "correction" was that of a binary simpleton, and you are fundamentally a dishonest poster. Your equivalence is false, you've already been walked through why it is false, and there is 0.0% chance that you will ever acknowledge that any part of Fingers' (much more detailed and knowledgeable) post in fact derails your surface-level "Dems challenged a result too, that means both sides are the same!" childish babble.

Demonstrates no knowledge, does not listen to or acknowledge counterpoints, refuses to elaborate on or provide context to blanket statements. That's a troll. Sorry if you don't like that label. Do better.

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BeardOfKnowledge

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Jul 22, 2015
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Yeah, don't bother. Your "correction" was that of a binary simpleton, and you are fundamentally a dishonest poster. Your equivalence is false, you've already been walked through why it is false, and there is 0.0% chance that you will ever acknowledge that any part of Fingers' (much more detailed and knowledgeable) post in fact derails your surface-level "Dems challenged a result too, that means both sides are the same!" childish babble.

Demonstrates no knowledge, does not listen to or acknowledge counterpoints, refuses to elaborate on or provide context to blanket statements. That's a troll. Sorry if you don't like that label. Do better.

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Your troll accusations would hold up better of you weren't making diatribes about me when I'm not even I'm the thread.
 

John Lee Pettimore

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Your troll accusations would hold up better of you weren't making diatribes about me when I'm not even I'm the thread.
Want to outline a couple of reasons why the Dem's protests in 2000 and the GOP's in 2020 might - just might - have different levels of validity?

Didn't think so. What a surprise!

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BeardOfKnowledge

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Want to outline a couple of reasons why the Dem's protests in 2000 and the GOP's in 2020 might - just might - have different levels of validity?

Didn't think so. What a surprise!

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Well, one was an election stolen by a partisan supreme court. The other was a bunch of crazy people being crazy. That would be the most obvious differences in my opinion. I hope that's helpful to you.

Oh, you were just looking to hurl insults and didn't actually want an answer? My mistake.
 

FINGERS

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Can someone define civil discourse?

I'm reporting every one of you fuckers. :mad:

Except BeardOfKnowledge @JorgeMasvidalsBeard . Regardless of being right or wrong he is remaining civil.

A civil discourse is a conversation in which there is a mutual airing of views without rancor. It is not a contest, but it is intended to promote greater understanding. Classroom teachers have a crucial role to play in helping students develop the skills of participating in civilized discussions.
 

John Lee Pettimore

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Well, one was an election stolen by a partisan supreme court. The other was a bunch of crazy people being crazy. That would be the most obvious differences in my opinion. I hope that's helpful to you.

Oh, you were just looking to hurl insults and didn't actually want an answer? My mistake.
Oh but I did want an answer. That's the point. The problem is, you weasel out of giving anything but simple blanket statements. Anything that would require demonstrating any kind of context or background knowledge, you're gone.

But, let's try. Let's try to figure out exactly what you do and don't believe. Forget about what a prick I am, for two seconds. Just let us know where you actually stand on the topic at hand.

Are the Republican's "concerns" (and remember, Trump was telling you six months before the election that he was going to pull this exact shit in the event of a loss, no matter what) valid? Has there in fact been evidence uncovered of massive fraud involving tens or hundreds of thousands of ballots across half a dozen or more states?

??
 

ThatOneDude

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Oh but I did want an answer. That's the point. The problem is, you weasel out of giving anything but simple blanket statements. Anything that would require demonstrating any kind of context or background knowledge, you're gone.

But, let's try. Let's try to figure out exactly what you do and don't believe. Forget about what a prick I am, for two seconds. Just let us know where you actually stand on the topic at hand.

Are the Republican's "concerns" (and remember, Trump was telling you six months before the election that he was going to pull this exact shit in the event of a loss, no matter what) valid? Has there in fact been evidence uncovered of massive fraud involving tens or hundreds of thousands of ballots across half a dozen or more states?

??