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I’m not sure how forcing a business to stop protecting their intellectual property is fighting socialism.

That's not what a non compete does. You need an NDA and trade law for that.
I have no intellectual property of a hospital.
They simply want to lock me in so that I have friction in the marketplace preventing me from leaving if getting a better offer. And they do it with an arbitrary distance measurement. They aren't stopping you from taking your knowledge elsewhere. Just penalizing you if you don't want to move.
 

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That's not what a non compete does. You need an NDA and trade law for that.
I have no intellectual property of a hospital.
They simply want to lock me in so that I have friction in the marketplace preventing me from leaving if getting a better offer. And they do it with an arbitrary distance measurement. They aren't stopping you from taking your knowledge elsewhere. Just penalizing you if you don't want to move.
I’m not saying that this apples to your exact circumstance. And you are not fully examining a non compete agreement. The flip side of this coin is if I have a business with a set of procedures and recipe for success, I don’t want someone coming in who I pay them to teach my system, and they quit after having acquired the knowledge and perhaps stealing a network of/or clients and opening up a competing business with my recipe for success and some of my clients. It is a very real scenario and I personally have some experience in this field. Believe it or not, a lot of people go to work for someone with these intentions before hand.
 

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The argument would be that every experience you have their is intellectual property.
It doesn’t have to be patented. There are procedures that businesses have come up with that have proven to work. Why should someone how took the time and made the mistakes of procedures that didn’t work, not only hand them over to an employee who wishes to use them against their business in the future, but actually put them on the payroll to do it? How is wanting to protect that, anticapitalistic?

an NDA is something else entirely and more or less used to protect someone’s financial information.
 
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The flip side of this coin is if I have a business with a set of procedures and recipe for success, I don’t want someone coming in who I pay them to teach my system, and they quit after having acquired the knowledge and perhaps stealing a network of/or clients and opening up a competing business with my recipe for success and some of my clients.

Sign an NDA. Done
 

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It doesn’t have to be patented. There are procedures that businesses have come up with that have proven to work. Why should someone how took the time and made the mistakes of procedures that didn’t work, not only hand them over to an employee who wishes to use them against their business in the future, but actually put them on the payroll to do it? How is wanting to protect that, anticapitalistic?

an NDA is something else entirely and more or less used to protect someone’s financial information.
Okay?
 

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Sign an NDA. Done
Ok, so I won’t be able to discuss with my buddies how much the inventory the business I work for has on hand and what their quarterly p&ls look like. That doesn’t keep me from opening up a competing business across the street with the knowledge I’ve acquired from working for this business.
 

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I know someone who went to work for a property management company (husband and wife) that got their recipe for success from the property management they worked for. Same system. Iirc, they brought with them some of that companies clients. Slimey.
 

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I know someone who went to work for a property management company (husband and wife) that got their recipe for success from the property management they worked for. Same system. Iirc, they brought with them some of that companies clients. Slimey.
THis person had to sign a non compete for I believe 5 years. I wonder why they made this person do that???
 

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It doesn’t have to be patented. There are procedures that businesses have come up with that have proven to work. Why should someone how took the time and made the mistakes of procedures that didn’t work, not only hand them over to an employee who wishes to use them against their business in the future, but actually put them on the payroll to do it? How is wanting to protect that, anticapitalistic?

an NDA is something else entirely and more or less used to protect someone’s financial information.
what you're describing is a "Trade Secret", and is also protected under IP law.
 

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while I’m not exactly against this move by Biden (I can see the pros and cons of both sides), I’m not sure how forcing a business to stop protecting their intellectual property is fighting socialism. It seems that if anything it would promote it, and even that’s a stretch.
It’s not about intellectual property when your preventing a person from applying their trade and skills.
 

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We increased wages about 6 months ago. Hiring bonuses were about 3 months ago. Not much impact. Uptick in applicants started about 3 to 4 weeks ago.

Had a couple applicants recently say something along the lines of "I guess it's time to get back to work"

Anecdotal, I know. But I trust my eyes better than my ears.
So you sound pretty confident that it was the benefits getting pulled that lead to your increase in applicants?
 

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That's not what a non compete does. You need an NDA and trade law for that.
I have no intellectual property of a hospital.
They simply want to lock me in so that I have friction in the marketplace preventing me from leaving if getting a better offer. And they do it with an arbitrary distance measurement. They aren't stopping you from taking your knowledge elsewhere. Just penalizing you if you don't want to move.
It sounds like they are trying to prevent people from getting their worth in the free market.
 

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It’s not about intellectual property when your preventing a person from applying their trade and skills.
It’s really a multi faceted discussion. One scenario does not equal the end all be all scenario. What if I buy a liquor store and there’s no non compete agreement. The seller can take the money and open up a liquor store across the street from me. He already has the customers that know and love him. There’s nothing preventing that from happening, and believe me, business is cut throat. This will happen all day every day from now on.
 

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It sounds like they are trying to prevent people from getting their worth in the free market.
You and splinty can only see it from your point of view and how it could potentially benefit you. And I am happy for that. What you two are describing would obviously work out well for a lot of people. In fact, at the moment it doesn’t exactly harm me in any way. Which is why I said I’m not completely against it. But this will impact some areas of business in a negative way that I don’t think is being considered.
 

Filthy

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I know someone who went to work for a property management company (husband and wife) that got their recipe for success from the property management they worked for. Same system. Iirc, they brought with them some of that companies clients. Slimey.
if they're serving the customer better, God Bless Free Association.
 

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So you sound pretty confident that it was the benefits getting pulled that lead to your increase in applicants?
In Ohio, yes.
It would be a hell of a coincidence.

Interest increased even when they started talking about cancelling it.
 

Filthy

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I was always told non-competes rarely hold up in court.

I agree it's a good thing to get rid of them altogether. Handcuffing an individual to a company isn't a good thing.
it goes back to what I said about NDAs and what you can get out of the signatory.

Most employers would spend far more litigating a no-compete than the value they would get from holding someone out of the competitive market. If they REALLY don't want you to compete, they'll pay you to sit out. It's cheaper and more enforceable.
 

Filthy

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This is excellent.
I have always refused non
compete clauses. They are everywhere in medicine.
I had a hospital in the middle of Houston try to give me a 15 mile non-compete. It's a 30 mi in diameter circle.

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That encompasses all of uptown and the three largest fastest growing suburban areas of the city as well as midtown and the most affluent portions of downtown.

I work for you and then I'm shut out of the marketplace?
The commute time from one side of that circle to the other can easily be an hour and a half on multiple different roads and directions.

I hope they go after arbitration clauses next. Forcing me to give up my future rights in order to participate in the marketplace is wrong.
Agree on arbitration clauses, and I'd like to see the FTC go after "independent contractors" who are actually exclusive employees, and end the non-profit status of sports franchises.